Bible Beaters Beware...

[Digitalwave]

I do not blindly follow Christianity. Time and time again I have tested it against my life experiences and debated with myself about the sheer possibilies of creation and an intangible God. All it has even done is made me a stonger believer.

[h0lmes]

I am very unique in the way I think because I am a Christian yet I interprate my religion very liberally. For one, I dont think that going to church and reading the bible everyday makes you a Christian.

Then you are not a true christian. Christians follow the bible which says you have to "keep holy the sabbath." So you are one of those so call christans that pick an chose what fits their life style. I'd label you as agnostic, you beleive in god but not going to chuch.

So basically you are saying that a Christian living in a country where Christianity is forbidden is not a Christian simply because they do not read the Bible or go to church? You are very wrong. There are many different sects of Christianity that have grown out of someones personal interpretation of Christianity but they all share 1 common characteristic, the most important one, and that is the universal belief that Jesus Christ is the Messiah. Mormonism is a perfect example of this. There are many differences between Mormonism and traditional Christianity and many Christians attack Mormons because of their beliefs. In the end, however, Mormons still believe that Jesus Christ is Savior. I never said I didn't believe in going to Church, in fact I am a member of a Church and I just got back from a mission trip with that church. I'd label you as an intolerant Christian extremist. Basically, you give Christianity a bad name and its people like you that are responsible for the division of our country today. America Bless God.

So what are you saying you are Mormon? Labeling me as an intolerant Christian is wrong, I don't believe there is a god. I chose to base my beliefs on scientific facts rather than a fictional book.

So they persecute Christians in Washington do they? You have the ability to go to church this god tells you to in the bible which you chose not to so you willing chose to sin every week, that makes you a bad Christian.

You really should try educating yourself on the Christian religion, if you knew anything about it then you would know that the one thing that makes one a Christian is the belief that Jesus Christ is the Messiah. Having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is everything when you are a Christian. You can learn so much by just praying and listening to Gods word. Our society has spun Christianity in a really controlling way and people are brought up from a young age to believe many things about Christianity that are simply not true. You are one of those people.

[Matto]

The latter. Proven through physics regarding the size and speed of rotation of the Earth, as well as its proximity to the Sun and orbiting moon.

Gravity can be observed by dropping somthing and it falls down. Then you can throw somthing like a balloon in there and say gravity doesn't afect it since it floats up. But then once you understand archimedes principle of bouncy you will know why gravity is not making the balloon fall to the ground. The current understanding of how gravity works is split between general relativity and its explanation and quantum physics. A lot of what happens does not conform to either. neither theory meshes well with the other. So gravity is not a completely explained phenomenon.

So you believe in gravity in exactly the way TJ and I believe in Christianity, we have seen things proven over and over and the outcome is always the same.

[silverblades181]

I do not blindly follow Christianity. Time and time again I have tested it against my life experiences and debated with myself about the sheer possibilies of creation and an intangible God. All it has even done is made me a stonger believer.

If Christianity has helped you threw hard times then I believe it has done it's job. If believing helps you go on and not give up then I give you my thumbs up. I think that's what religion is for. Imposing your beliefs on others and calling them fags because they don't think like you is rather immature. I'm not going to rely on a book that's been written thousands of years ago to tell me how to think. It's a good guide book for some but that's all it is...it's not the absolute truth. Unless you really think the Earth was made in 7 days and that we all descend from Adam and Eve (which would mean when you bang your girlfriend your banging your sister...eww) Those were stories that should not be taken word for word like about 99% of the bible.

Btw, I believe in God and I am somekind of Christian....just not like you I guess.

[Matto]

Do you think the law of gravity is just a "belief," or do you accept it as fact because its provable?

The latter. Proven through physics regarding the size and speed of rotation of the Earth, as well as its proximity to the Sun and orbiting moon.



In a related matter, "Christian-Science" cracks me up. It's based on the Bible and not scientific research. Their explanation of why the fossil record contradicts 'The Flood' makes me roll on the floor laughing.

See my previous post on that.

I think what a lot of this debate will come down to is whether the bible is fact or fiction. and science versus faith.

[Kristuphir]

Funny, I am seeing a lot of people confused regardless of their viewpoint and age. When you are in the forest, you can't see it for the trees. A crackhead doesn't realize he's got a problem until he comes to a crisis of belief. An alcoholic doesn't realize he is hurting himself and others until that same time. Is he any less confused? Nope. He just can't see it. You see?

A crackhead or alcoholic does not spend much time thinking about why he abuses crack or liquor. He has a chemical dependency, which is a physical reality, unlike some other things we're talking about. Because of his addiction, he doesn't use reason and well-thought-out rationale to view the world around him, or his addiction. If he has, and still thinks he doesn't have a problem, that's denial - not the same as confusion.

No, I don't see. Please keep explaining to me why I am immature and confused because I don't believe what you believe. Only you can drop the condescension.

[Brew]

The latter. Proven through physics regarding the size and speed of rotation of the Earth, as well as its proximity to the Sun and orbiting moon.

Gravity can be observed by dropping somthing and it falls down. Then you can throw somthing like a balloon in there and say gravity doesn't afect it since it floats up. But then once you understand archimedes principle of bouncy you will know why gravity is not making the balloon fall to the ground. The current understanding of how gravity works is split between general relativity and its explanation and quantum physics. A lot of what happens does not conform to either. neither theory meshes well with the other. So gravity is not a completely explained phenomenon.

So you believe in gravity in exactly the way TJ and I believe in Christianity, we have seen things proven over and over and the outcome is always the same.

I'd like to hear what you have seen 'proven' over and over that makes you think that your beliefs are as legitimate as physics that we view and experience every moment of every day.

[Matto]

I do not blindly follow Christianity. Time and time again I have tested it against my life experiences and debated with myself about the sheer possibilies of creation and an intangible God. All it has even done is made me a stonger believer.

If Christianity has helped you threw hard times then I believe it has done it's job. If believing helps you go on and not give up then I give you my thumbs up. I think that's what religion is for. Imposing your beliefs on others and calling them fags because they don't think like you is rather immature. I'm not going to rely on a book that's been written thousands of years ago to tell me how to think. It's a good guide book for some but that's all it is...it's not the absolute truth. Unless you really think the Earth was made in 7 days and that we all descend from Adam and Eve (which would mean when you bang your girlfriend your banging your sister...eww) Those were stories that should not be taken word for word like about 99% of the bible.

Btw, I believe in God and I am somekind of Christian....just not like you I guess.

First off the only deffinition for sister i know is a female born of the same mother as you. So if your banging your sister I think there are at least a few laws against that.

Who is impossing there beliefes on who? And I sure can't remember anytime I have called anybody a "fag" because the thought differently than me, or for any other reasons. And if you think me voicing my oppinion that my beliefs are correct is imposing, you are mistaken.

[silverblades181]

First off the only deffinition for sister i know is a female born of the same mother as you. So if your banging your sister I think there are at least a few laws against that.

Who is impossing there beliefes on who? And I sure can't remember anytime I have called anybody a "fag" because the thought differently than me, or for any other reasons. And if you think me voicing my oppinion that my beliefs are correct is imposing, you are mistaken.

Yeah, that sister thing was a lame attempt at a joke, dont pay attention to it. And if you pay closer attention to the quote, I wasn't talking to you. I was refering to the comments he and Charlie did earlier. And about imposing beliefs...well I'm not pointing the finger at anyone, it's just the general impression I get from Christians when they try to evangilise me.

[RCWells]

I am not condescending. You and I will not agree here, and that's okay with me. I know what I know. You know what you know. In the end, it will all come clear to the both of us. Or it won't. Either way, we will not come to terms at this point in time.

There is one certainty, we will both die one day, and we'll face what we face then. I know where I will be and that is what matters to me.

So I am through with the discussion of said topic. You guys have fun with it.

Oh, and I never said that YOU were immature OR confused. You took that upon yourself. If the shoe fits......

[Kristuphir]

I am not condescending. You and I will not agree here, and that's okay with me. I know what I know. You know what you know. In the end, it will all come clear to the both of us. Or it won't. Either way, we will not come to terms at this point in time.

There is one certainty, we will both die one day, and we'll face what we face then. I know where I will be and that is what matters to me.

So I am through with the discussion of said topic. You guys have fun with it.

Oh, and I never said that YOU were immature OR confused. You took that upon yourself. If the shoe fits......

You made a generalization, I assumed it included me. Apologies. Of course we won't agree or come to the same terms right now...but am I wrong in sensing a bit of a "last word" with you saying you know where you'll be?

I don't know where I'll be. I'm comfortable with that. I can't imagine being dead any more than anyone else...hell, I'm asleep for hours every night and I don't know what that's like. Maybe we won't face anything - maybe we just end. It's really the most likely scenario. Just because we can't imagine it doesn't mean it won't happen...

But if you wanna leave, god be with you, and I mean that sincerely, or as sincerely as I can. And by the way *sweet* cars. I've been admiring your sig this whole time. ;)

[Digitalwave]

I do not blindly follow Christianity. Time and time again I have tested it against my life experiences and debated with myself about the sheer possibilies of creation and an intangible God. All it has even done is made me a stonger believer.

If Christianity has helped you threw hard times then I believe it has done it's job. If believing helps you go on and not give up then I give you my thumbs up. I think that's what religion is for. Imposing your beliefs on others and calling them fags because they don't think like you is rather immature. I'm not going to rely on a book that's been written thousands of years ago to tell me how to think. It's a good guide book for some but that's all it is...it's not the absolute truth. Unless you really think the Earth was made in 7 days and that we all descend from Adam and Eve (which would mean when you bang your girlfriend your banging your sister...eww) Those were stories that should not be taken word for word like about 99% of the bible.

Btw, I believe in God and I am somekind of Christian....just not like you I guess.

I am not imposing anything on you, I am (trying to) defend my standpoint. Charlie said their are a lot of fags in your country, as a joke, and wasn't calling you one.

[RCWells]

I said I was through, but I just wanted to say I apologize if I have offended anyone as well.

Thanks for your last post. Peace then?

(the M3 is Alecs')

[silverblades181]

I am not imposing anything on you, I am (trying to) defend my standpoint. Charlie said their are a lot of fags in your country, as a joke, and wasn't calling you one.

Good enough for me.

[Kristuphir]

I said I was through, but I just wanted to say I apologize if I have offended anyone as well.

Thanks for your last post. Peace then?

(the M3 is Alecs')

Peace always...