Bible Beaters Beware...

[flippyfloppy]

To put it in a very simply:

God has given us a choice. To follow Him or to follow...

A great book to read and reflect on those curious is: "The Chosen" by Chaim Potok. and anything by CS Lewis.

Andy

As a human have the choice to do whatever you want, no one give you this choice. If you chose to follow a make believe thing go ahead. There is no proof of god, someone made it up a long time ago and convinced people to believe him. Religion is necessary because humans have a hard time understanding that when their relatives die, they will never see them again. Making up a place (heaven) where you will be reunited with your relatives helps people accept death. It deludes your mind into believe that you will never really dies, that would be nice, but there in no change in hell that it actually happens. You die, you go into a box, and then into the ground, I’m sorry to be the one to break it to you, I know it’s hard to deal with but it’s the truth. If you need religion to help you cope, then go nuts. The bible is a novel, nothing more, prove it otherwise.

[Digitalwave]

flippy, nothing you are saying can be proven either. There is no proof that there is no life after death. And I don't buy the fact that you say people choose religion so they can be united with their family in heaven. There is a hell too, and I know a lot of my family is going there. Being with my family had nothing to do with my acceptence of Christ, I just would rather not suffer for eternity (hell).

[flippyfloppy]

flippy, nothing you are saying can be proven either. There is no proof that there is no life after death. And I don't buy the fact that you say people choose religion so they can be united with their family in heaven. There is a hell too, and I know a lot of my family is going there. Being with my family had nothing to do with my acceptence of Christ, I just would rather not suffer for eternity (hell).

Sure, there is nothing that proves there is no life after death, but there is nothing to suggest that there should be. There is proof that suggest that when your brain ceases to function, your life stops, game over. Religion created hell to scare people into going to church and following thier ways and rituals. Relion was also a way to explain the unexplainable. As science advances and more and more questions of the universe are answered, Religion will fade away..

[KDZROK]

I just would rather not suffer for eternity (hell).

See, that is why I like being Mormon. We don't really believe in a "Hell" per-say.

There is a place where the worst of the worst will go, but we beileve that there are varying degrees of Heaven.

[flippyfloppy]

I just would rather not suffer for eternity (hell).

See, that is why I like being Mormon. We don't really believe in a "Hell" per-say.

There is a place where the worst of the worst will go, but we beileve that there are varying degrees of Heaven.

You also beleive in ancient americans and magic underwear. And magic tablet that were buried in upstate NY and uncovered in the 1800s. Didn't a group of mormans kill Joesph Smith, the religion's founder becuase he was trying to steal their wives?

[KDZROK]

ooh, you have found us out. Dang, now we must disban.

I will notify Salt Lake...

Whatever freek! Grow up, or at least get your facts straight.

[flippyfloppy]

ooh, you have found us out. Dang, now we must disban.

I will notify Salt Lake...

Whatever freek! Grow up, or at least get your facts straight.

I was asking a question. Please educate me.

[PeterCip]

she can't type locked in her virgin vault.

[Digitalwave]

she can't type locked in her virgin vault.

Oh come on. Why can't you just keep this a civil debate?

[Kristuphir]

This is actually getting kind of amusing, not to mention enlightening, in terms of seeing which board members, on both sides of the debate, are able to strongly support what they say (RCWells, ken, I'm talking about you! Are you blushing?). Interesting.

And the word is believe, for any of you who were wondering. Sorry, I don't have the last name of a scientist(?) to put in parentheses on that, but I really feel, deep down, that it is accurate and true. And I wrote it myself!

[EverWiser]

Hey flippyfloppy I don't necessarily disagree with what your basic argument is but your lack of proper spelling and word usage is making it very difficult to assign much credibility to what you post (let alone follow what you're trying to "say").

I feel life is more about attitude than anything else. If you keep a positive and upbeat attitude, things just seem to go better for you or, at the very least, you tend to "look on the bright-side of life". Religion for most people, gives them a better attitude toward life and a "support group" (the congregation to which they belong) that helps them cope and to remain upbeat.

As I posted a few pages ago, if religion helps a person be a contribution to society and/or helps to keep a potentially "errant" person from becoming a menace to our society, I'm all for them practicing their religion. I just have a problem with them trying to draw me into it. I haven't seen enough evidence to convince me to follow one religion over another. In my opinion they're all based on a false premise or practice. The basics have been there since the "beginning" but the claims that one religion is "true" while others are "false" is complete bullshit. If any religion claims to be the "true" religion then you can guarantee it's false. I'm no authority on the subject but to my knowledge most of the "New Testament" religions center around "tolerance". How can any religion that excludes all others be considered "tolerant"?

[flippyfloppy]

Hey flippyfloppy I don't necessarily disagree with what your basic argument is but your lack of proper spelling and word usage is making it very difficult to assign much credibility to what you post (let alone follow what you're trying to "say").

Sorry, I only have 6 fingers, I sometimes have a hard time typing.

[gstuning]

Since I´m very science based, I´m scared that when I die,
It will simply be GAME OVER. No more life or existance at all EVER again,

That´s why I WANT to believe that some shit will happen that will make sure that my soul/beeing will continue after life on earth.

Rest I don´t care about,
I´m a Christian, and when I have done something bad, there is no fixing it by going to church, so after breaking any of the 10 commandments, one is doomed any way, and since I have broken numerous, I feel I should live my life with respect to the fellow man and try and enjoy what life and family have to offer, So I plan on playing with my car and travel the planet with my friends. I don´t need a big house, or the newest car,


I hate people who think life is one big giant race to riches, the one who wins is the richest dead guy, what the hell is that all about.

[uflnuceng]

Since I´m very science based, I´m scared that when I die, It will simply be GAME OVER. No more life or existance at all EVER again,

That´s why I WANT to believe that some shit will happen that will make sure that my soul/beeing will continue after life on earth.

Rest I don´t care about,
I´m a Christian, and when I have done something bad, there is no fixing it by going to church, so after breaking any of the 10 commandments, one is doomed any way, and since I have broken numerous, I feel I should live my life with respect to the fellow man and try and enjoy what life and family have to offer, So I plan on playing with my car and travel the planet with my friends. I don´t need a big house, or the newest car,


I hate people who think life is one big giant race to riches, the one who wins is the richest dead guy, what the hell is that all about.

As a self-proclaimed deist and a qualified scientist (physicist/engineer) I definitely believe in something greater than myself (:cough: BMW S38 :cough:). In all seriousness I can't look at the marvels of this world let alone the universe and think that there isn't something greater than all of it out there. I don't believe in mesiahs, but my wife is a very ardent Catholic and draws a lot of strength from believing in Jesus. When I married her I spoke with her priest and explained to him that there was a good possibility that I would never believe in Jesus, and how could I manage that very delicate subject yet make sure her and my views weren't violated.

He explained to me that I didn't need to be Catholic. The Catholic church didn't marry us, the priest simply witnessed it as we married ourselves before God. Whether it be a jeudeo-christian god or whatever. When we present our children to be baptised and confirmed I don't have to believe in Jesus myself, just simply believe in my wife's faith and the strength she draws from it. It was a very good discussing and proof of how we can all coexist together. I go to church with her sometime. Use it to plan what Im going to do with my car when I get home. My children will be raised as Catholics but will always understand where my beliefs are and that they are just as valid as my wife's.

I don't expect to find any of this out till the day I die. My faith (which is different than religion) is very strong. I believe in a life after death that is beyond any human comprehension. Till then though I treat my fellow man with respect (unless he's going under the speed limit... then I just want that old fucker to get raped... TWICE!... and then die :twisted: )

[uflnuceng]

Hey flippyfloppy I don't necessarily disagree with what your basic argument is but your lack of proper spelling and word usage is making it very difficult to assign much credibility to what you post (let alone follow what you're trying to "say").

Sorry, I only have 6 fingers, I sometimes have a hard time typing.

Pictures?!?! :twisted: