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    Mechanical engineers/creative folk in da haus?

    Hey R3V!

    The safety nazi's at my work want to come up with a safer way to "ice-lug" machinery.

    Basically Ice Lugging is when welders weld small rectangular pieces of metal onto the tracks on heavy equipment (sort of like a cleat on a soccer/football shoe) to give it more traction on snow and ice.

    The current S.O.P (safe operating procedure) for Ice Lugging is in a nut shell:
    -Jack up equipment, and place on stands so that tracks clear the ground
    -Operator in cab rotates track on welders signal until there are lugs all the way around the track

    The want to eliminate:
    -The need for an operator in the cab
    -The need for the welders to signal someone else to move the track, they want the moving of the track to be left to the welders so they have control over it.


    Important info:
    -These machines can weigh up to 150,000 lbs
    -The track will rotate freely on the track frame when the engine is off, and the park brake disengaged but it takes considerable force, the tracks themselves weigh about 10,000 lbs.
    -Currently it takes about 2 hours to fully ice lug a machine, if we can reduce that time then that's icing on the cake...but primarily they get massive boners for SAFETY, so we need to make this as safe as possible.

    Here is a picture of a D9, probably one of the more common pieces of equipment to get ice lugged, however this also has to work for excavators, pipe-layers, etc. It needs to be a universal solution.



    Here is a picture of Ice Lugs:


    My ideas so far:

    -Use an overhead crane to rotate the track. Using a 2-leg chain with grab hooks on the end you could grab the track at the bottom on the rear end and lift up, rotating the track

    -Some sort of a winch system that would place a cable all the way around the track, encompassing it...and then as you reeled the winch in it would turn the track

    -Some sort of a hydraulic finger built up on a telescopic stand (to account for differing machine track heights) that could insert itself in between the track ridges and spin 360 degrees, therefore rotating the track.

    Anyone have any ideas?
    Last edited by mamzak; 04-20-2011, 09:34 AM.
    Originally posted by Dozyproductions
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    #2
    No ideas for you but I do love D9's


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      #3
      jack and jack stands with hercules as the welder.
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        #4
        How many instances is the track rotated per application? # of times, or each 2 ft of track etc?
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          #5
          Jack thing up, take track off and lay on ground, weld plates on, drape track back on machine, re-assemble. Could get a few welders working at a time to increase speed.

          Honestly, sounds like the safest and best way to do it is what they're doing.
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            #6
            Taking tracks off and on isnt the most time saving, or safest thing to do. Sure its easier and safer to do the welding, but then you are also moving around a mobile and flexible 5 ton track.
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              #7
              Could you wire in a universal remote with a quick disconnect connector on all of the vehicles to run the tracks?

              Though it would still have to run.
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                #8
                True, but aren't they taken off semi-regularly anyway? There must be a safe/reasonable procedure to do that.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Van Westervelt View Post
                  How many instances is the track rotated per application? # of times, or each 2 ft of track etc?
                  Yeah probably about every two or three feet of track the operator has to stop for them to weld. There's probably somewhere around 40 links that are somewhere in the neighborhood of a foot long each.

                  This is my latest idea.. Some sort of a large sprocket that would spin on top of the track by means of an electric motor and rotate the track? Thoughts?

                  Originally posted by Dozyproductions
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                    Originally posted by Bimmerman325i View Post
                    True, but aren't they taken off semi-regularly anyway? There must be a safe/reasonable procedure to do that.
                    Tracks are usually only taken off at mid-life re-builds unless there is a link that gets kinked before that. A mid-life rebuild happens at around 1500 hours of service. And the procedure for taking tracks off isn't exactly safe either haha. You unbolt the master link and then drive in reverse until the track basically just flops off the machine.
                    Originally posted by Dozyproductions
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                      #11
                      Why recreate the wheel? Is there a way to manually rotate the upper drive sprocket thats already engaged? If so, then all you would need is to use an electric motor to drive that from either the face or via its own unmeshed gears.

                      Either way, thats a hefty load for an electric motor.
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                        #12
                        Welder operated, remotely controlled, 3ish feet long hydraulic ram to turn the track, once jacked-up?
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Van Westervelt View Post
                          Why recreate the wheel? Is there a way to manually rotate the upper drive sprocket thats already engaged? If so, then all you would need is to use an electric motor to drive that from either the face or via its own unmeshed gears.

                          Either way, thats a hefty load for an electric motor.

                          I do like this idea, the only problem with that is that on stuff like an excavator, the final drive isn't like a Caterpillar dozer, with space on the unmeshed gears. Your idea would work for a D9, but probably wouldn't work for an excavator. I'll show you what I mean:

                          Originally posted by Dozyproductions
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                            #14
                            Is there a way to turn the track via one of the hubs? If the vehicle is in the air there shouldn't be much force needed to get the track to spin?

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                              Originally posted by MAXELHOFF View Post
                              Welder operated, remotely controlled, 3ish feet long hydraulic ram to turn the track, once jacked-up?

                              Not a bad Idea actually...just set it up so it's parallel with the track and angled slightly down, and just ram it 3 feet at a time?
                              Originally posted by Dozyproductions
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