Tough questions of a bullshit ticket! (update post 102)

[frankenbeemer]

554.1. Any property described in Section 554 may be posted against
trespassing and loitering in the following manner:
(a) If it is not enclosed within a fence and if it is of an area
not exceeding one (1) acre and has no lineal dimension exceeding one
(1) mile, by posting signs at each corner of the area and at each
entrance.
(b) If it is not enclosed within a fence, and if it is of an area
exceeding one (1) acre, or contains any lineal dimension exceeding
one (1) mile, by posting signs along or near the exterior boundaries
of the area at intervals of not more than 600 feet, and also at each
corner, and, if such property has a definite entrance or entrances,
at each such entrance.
(c) If it is enclosed within a fence and if it is of an area not
exceeding one (1) acre, and has no lineal dimension exceeding one (1)
mile, by posting signs at each corner of such fence and at each
entrance.
(d) If it is enclosed within a fence and if it is of an area
exceeding one (1) acre, or has any lineal dimension exceeding one (1)
mile, by posting signs on, or along the line of, such fence at
intervals of not more than 600 feet, and also at each corner and at
each entrance.
(e) If it consists of poles or towers or appurtenant structures
for the suspension of wires or other conductors for conveying
electricity or telegraphic or telephonic messages or of towers or
derricks for the production of oil or gas, by affixing a sign upon
one or more sides of such poles, towers, or derricks, but such
posting shall render only the pole, tower, derrick, or appurtenant
structure posted property.

[IRON-E]

Motorcycle cop pulls up to my window ( no plates, dark tinted windows, shaved head, while in the hood etc.) and says "you know your hazards are on?" I say yes in and give a brief explanation. He says ok and speeds off. Stuff like that happens to me quite often. Its like as soon as they hear i'm laid back and not hispanic i'm off their radar.

Bingo.

[CleanAzzE30z]

I've met mariano a half dozen times but he always forgets. lol

I hate excuses but I literally noticed a marked change for the worse in my memory with remembering people solely by name (or SN). I was always better with faces, but the last 5-10 years my memory simply through name has plummeted. This is my brain from half my life using hard drugs haha.


Mariano

[einstein57]

Motorcycle cop pulls up to my window ( no plates, dark tinted windows, shaved head, while in the hood etc.) and says "you know your hazards are on?" I say yes in and give a brief explanation. He says ok and speeds off. Stuff like that happens to me quite often. Its like as soon as they hear i'm laid back and not hispanic i'm off their radar.

btw, OT - saw your car at bfest, and i now couldn't muster the prose to justify your cars
violent elegance; just wish i could have met you to talk a bit, there'll be others im sure.

I've met mariano a half dozen times but he always forgets. lol

[greanthumb]

agreed mariano... NO WAY to make everyone happy(post #90)

[dvck]

hahah, take it man I'd be honored let's say.

yea Bimmerfest did feel like that, saw and talked so many things, and i didn't get to
do but a fraction of it. Hopefully we see you at the plant soon, thats if we don't all
get cited for loitering.

[CleanAzzE30z]

aw Mariano, but i love that argument.

all kidding aside, you're on truth and its my sentiments as i've stated several posts up,
i want to be able to minimize as much as possible, and from now on, im staying CLEAR
off and away RRs.

btw, OT - saw your car at bfest, and i now couldn't muster the prose to justify your cars
violent elegance; just wish i could have met you to talk a bit, there'll be others im sure.

Thanks man i know, Bimmerfests usually become a 6-10 hour blur of people coming up to you and meeting old friends. Its amazing that even that much time there still isnt enough time to meet and greet all the people you intend to.... Im sure we shall meet soon. :) I hate missing opportunities like this. I absolutely love the "violent elegance" wording.... thank you, I require your permission to use that.

[dvck]

aw Mariano, but i love that argument.

all kidding aside, you're on truth and its my sentiments as i've stated several posts up,
i want to be able to minimize as much as possible, and from now on, im staying CLEAR
off and away RRs.

btw, OT - saw your car at bfest, and i now couldn't muster the prose to justify your cars
violent elegance; just wish i could have met you to talk a bit, there'll be others im sure.

[CleanAzzE30z]

All this is academic, at this point. Fuck it, they were dicks and went a bit far and took the hard option in dealing with the situation. It happened, move on. Talk to the PD (Public Defender) or a lawyer to get the charges reduced. Theres no way to prove any profiling just because the pig was a hardass. Next time, dont fuck with the railroads. Ive taken many a pic with my cars near the 6th street bridge, tagged all sorts of buildings and property and never got caught. Sometimes your number comes up and you get caught. Its unfortunate they handled it without just giving you a warning but what can you do? There are dicks everywhere. Try and minimize the damage at this point. Technically, it looks like they are on good legal footing to cite you. Its unfortunate, but the fact remains they had a reason to fuck with you.... All this after-the-fact discussion helps not one bit, really until you speak to legal counsel on your options. :) We're just going to get into a pro-cop (or authority figure of any sort) against the anti-cop (Fuck the MAN, man!) argument.

[greanthumb]

Bullshit, almost all tracks have access roads and sidings anywhere its level. Especially if there is multiple tracks. This is government required too. Half a million miles of track that would require signs for both sides would cost millions. Its common knowledge you shouldn't go where ever you want and not expect consequences. Its not like I walk in to your house and didn't know I wasn't supposed to be there. Its the Railroad, its for trains; not for a soccer match or ping pong tournament.

in relativity there ISNT that many access points like that(conjoined w a business parking lot)to be marked w signs. plus... whats a couple mill to a huge RR company? crossing railroad tracks on a city street is different from going out of public access and doing the same.

thats like saying walking into a fully occupied house is the same as walking into a obviously abandoned house without trespassing signs. you're starting to sound lame playing the devils advocate.

oh btw- those cops are cocksuckers:hitler:. prolly the same kids that used to get punked in elementary school

unless E and O gave them attitude or were not compliant then they shouldve been warned without citation

[e30trooper]

Comprehensive reading is your friend Ben; neither security nor LAPD was involved.

I read the 1st page. But you get what I'm saying. This could have been avoided. No tickets. No issues.

[dvck]

Comprehensive reading is your friend Ben; neither security nor LAPD was involved.

[e30trooper]

I understand where Edwins coming from. But if you guys were to just leave when the security drove this would have never happened. Sitting around waiting for LAPD to show, means to them "your a badass" and they will give you a ticket regardless of who else is there. Therese always away to avoid cops. You guys should have know this.

Edwin, Gl fighting this dude..

[dvck]

being there, reading all this i state again; I can understand it now that im reading it all
and researching how deep it all is, knowing so, i'll never get close to a RR in my life, riding
included.

But i can also say that ive been past RR spots that are not necessarily marked off by fencing,
but do have notable signs stating trespassing, etc.

The spot we were at was such a grey area of a parking lot of a Graphics shop that happened
to be that close to the tracks that i never thought would matter as we were not harming,
vandalizing, stealing, much less going to put ourselves or Iron-E's car in danger. Simply a couple
of car enthusiast getting photographs of a car with a nice backdrop.

I hope we can minimize our "crime" and move on, away from tracks.

[joshh]

So the cop is an asshole for doing his job; I'm not saying the OP deserves a misdemeanor or a huge fine. Most likely it'll get reduced; but what part of Federal Government Regulated land that he is patrolling does not make this a serious matter, he is doing his job. He's essentially a TSA agent, if you don't think the RR are serious business then just apply and see how long it takes to get hired and all the training you need just to get on property. Everyday being the new guy I have to look up the security levels and I had to get trained on identifying potential terrorist IED's on trains.

OP, when you go before the judge, claiming ignorance of the law isn't going to help, but letting the judge know that if you had a better understanding of FRA laws and seriousness of RR property you would have made a better decision and then begging for mercy will probably help. I can't see Union Pacific going after you hardcore if you agree to stay off property

It's not a cops job to hand out tickets. Keeping people safe is. There was no reason to give these guys tickets for something that didn't effect anyone or endanger anyone in any way. So yes they were being assholes.