Cops pissed in my cereal

[Rsully70sev]

Yes, I agree- I'm not angry with the neighbors at all, but they should have exercised some level of common sense. What squatters park a GTO, STI, and BMW in the driveway? I realize they were looking out for the property's best interest, but come on.

I see, and agree with what you're saying Jake, but I shouldn't have to go to the ends of the earth to cover my ass when visiting my parents property. I wasnt expecting to prove my innocense that day. I mean, I don't get a written note from my dad when I borrow his car.

I'm sure they are going to argue that the house wreaked like marijuana, but when an officer commented on it, I showed him my medicinal papers. So my house CAN smell like marijuana all I want, ending that "probable cause."

A lot of the stuff mentioned is a black and white interpretation of the law, when shit goes down, let me tell you- all those laws are thrown out the window at an officers discretion. My mothers a lawyer, and is filing a claim for reimbursement. However when I spoke to an officer, he said that they aren't responsible for damages on a call- they were doing their job and had to deal with the obstructions in their way.

[Earendil]

A lot of the stuff mentioned is a black and white interpretation of the law, when shit goes down, let me tell you- all those laws are thrown out the window at an officers discretion. My mothers a lawyer, and is filing a claim for reimbursement. However when I spoke to an officer, he said that they aren't responsible for damages on a call- they were doing their job and had to deal with the obstructions in their way.

[puts on devil's advocate hat]

We do not want an officer responding to a crime worrying about how his action will effect his personal finances and whether he can feed his kid. He just be worried about causing human's harm, or death, for his OWN sake, not because he will be criminally punished.

I personally don't want to ever call the cops with the hope that they WILL brake my door down to help me, and have them not do it because they just had a kid and they can't risk causing damages.

We expect cops to be in tough situations, situations in which it is impossible to make the correct decision 100% of the time. It's going to come with the job. Every so often I make mistakes at work, and my boss doesn't take it out of my paycheck. Why? Because mistakes are BOUND to happen.

I do not want a pansy-ass police tip-toeing around trying to do me some good when my, my loved ones, or my property are in danger. Get shit safe, and get it safe fast.

Ineffective cops would be very bad. Just look at the recent London riot-looting, or any looting during a natural disaster. Most of that is carried out because people know the police are busy/overwhelmed. It's sad, but a certain percentage of our population is kept in check because they think they will get caught. Take that away, and people start doing stupid shit.

[Hat Off]

How the officers handled the situation was very poor indeed, and did not follow the law. The DEPARTMENT should pay for damages, and if the officers are costing the department money due to hazy legal situations, they can be replaced.

Also, there is a question about how much harm can be done to an innocent in order to punish the guilty. And in my mind it's quite low. It's certainly not tit-for-tat. It really sucks that it was you that bit the innocent bullet this time. And it sucks that the cops weren't more professional.

[der affe]

that could be the bad spot in your arguement.

were you smoking before or when they came to the door or entered the house?

if so or they smelled pot smoke, even though YOU produced a medical MJ card, that does not give others at the house the right to smoke too unless the also have cards. that alone may be enough for probable cause to enter. if you were by yourself, it might be a different story. i am not a lawyer though. that still did not give them the right to run wrecklessly through the house breaking things all willy nilly....i think, again not a lawyer.

as far as your neighbor calling the police, like was said before, be happy they cared enough to do that.
they don't know you, they see cars there so they call the police (that is the police's job). i would not expect my neighbor to confront someone at my house when i was not there. i would hope they would call the police though as i would do the same for them.

when my neighbor first moved in next to me, she called the fire department because there was massive smoke comming from the back of my house becuase i was smoking a huge brisket, she came over after they got there and apologised and told me how embarased she was.
i told her not to worry about it, i was more happy that she was observant and cared enought to call the FD. i also brought her and her tripplets some brisket whe it was done.

[joshh]

typical of our modern police force. they are not held accountable for their actions when the fuck up or act stupidly, they hide behind a badge a gun and corrupt cronieism, You are guilty until you prove your self innocent.

I believe the term jack booted thugs applies here


I mean really did the cop not find it odd, that someone who was just squatting and trespassing was fucking painting and putting in new carpet????

This....and we don't pay cops to think anymore...or did we ever? Maybe just maybe if they were held accountable for shit like this this type of thing would happen less often.

[Earendil]

as far as your neighbor calling the police, like was said before, be happy they cared enough to do that.
they don't know you, they see cars there so they call the police (that is the police's job). i would not expect my neighbor to confront someone at my house when i was not there. i would hope they would call the police though as i would do the same for them.

It depends on what they told the police. If they called the police and said "There are people in the house, and we think it's supposed to be vacant", then yeah, good neighbors.

If they called the police and said "There are people in the house and we KNOW it's supposed to be vacant, and they are doing illegal drugs, doing damage to the house, and I think I heard someone scream in pain".
Well, than you can start to understand a more aggressive police stance. And in that case, we would expect the people that called the police to be sued by both the house owner AND the police department for wasting their time.

Now, I doubt they said anything as bad as the second set. However if more than a single police car showed up or more than two officers, than the police were not just expecting to show up and kick some bums out. They were expecting resistance and illegal activity. They weren't expecting a couple punk middle schoolers.

How the police acted once they arrived should be questioned. But I'd be curious what the neighbors said that caused that many police to show up in the first place. My bet is that they were being less than honest, and mislead the police intentionally or accidentally.

[Galactodactyl]

Ridic.

[///e30freak]

hah I do the same with my sisters properties, but I know all the neighbors personally, and make sure they know when I'm around.

I do feel bad that you're so butthurt about it. I literally lol'd in class when I read "I DO NOT GIVE YOU PERMISSION" and actually expected it to work.

[87e30]

lol at r3v legal council

[Pantless Spency]

thread title change FTL

[Rsully70sev]

Earendil, I understand what you're saying but we aren't exactly talking about the police serving a murder warrant. It was a bullshit call from the neighbors, and they should have taken the call "with a grain of salt." Not responding with 6 police cars, and 8 police officers. I mean, don't they have seat belt tickets to be writing or some shit? In a real life situation, and if people were in real danger, then fuck- knock my doors down, kick paint buckets, I don't care. But they should have been diplomatic about a situation like this, and certainly not entered the house. We were being 100% cooperative, not "scattering" or hopping over fences, there was no reason to treat us like criminals.

When I confronted the police, they should have shown some respect and let me prove my innocence instead of assuming we were all guilty. I offered to call my dad, show him my license, show him the set of keys I had, etc etc.

I didn't expect the "I don't give you permission to enter" line to work, but I was trying to avoid being embarrassed in front of my friends. I wanted to talk to the officer one on one outside, but they weren't having that.

I was smoking before. And I made it clear that I was the only one smoking, furnishing my recommendation. It's not like my buddy was off the to side with a blunt in his mouth.

[Dj Buttchug]

lol at new thread title

[Sailor37]

too bad you weren't smoking dope when they busted in...then that would have been a cool story bro.

[Deltron Dirty30]

Do you prefer cop piss to 2% fat milk OP? Do you refrigerate said piss or is it a "hot cereal"?

[Massimo]

Walk in to cop station
Put paint can on ground
Go to a door kick it in
As you run for your life kick over paint can

Problem Officer?

[imsotyerred]

Not being American or a Lawyer I can't say for sure one way or another, but I thought that there were search and Seizure laws to protect people in this type of circumstance?

there are laws in place...

you simply assume that the american police care about those laws, silly canadian...don't you know that Americans live in a police state now?