Is this anyone on the forum? E30 fatal accident.

[dirty thirty]

Wow rip hate to loose a good enthusiast

[mrsleeve]

Again, you all assume that the police found nothing else when they ran the plates.

How do you know that they didn't find multiple arrest warrants or something of that nature? People dont typically run over a fucking cell phone ticket, so I presume they were doing something illegal and didn't want to be caught. If they run, they've just committed a larger crime than the phone ticket.

Your point is semantics at best. While guy had reason to RUN. If there was not a pointless law passed solely to generate revenue (You know cell phone laws, seat belt laws, ect...) were not in place then the cop would not have been going after him causing the dude to run right???


Like I said the cop is not at fault 1 bit, I am not saying that, at all, the guy who ran is, one bad decision after another, but I trust my point has been made.

[ohthejosh]

Victim was a man. He has been identified.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/27/BAAI1LN747.DTL

(10-27) 12:29 PDT CONCORD -- A man who was killed when a pickup truck with two parolees on board crashed into his BMW during a police chase in Concord was identified today as a 46-year-old resident of Flagstaff, Ariz.
Joseph Dale Smith was driving his 1985 BMW on Solano Way near Highway 242 when he was struck by a white pickup truck driven by 25-year-old parolee Mauro Gutierrez of Concord, police said.
Gutierrez was fleeing from a Concord officer who had tried to stop him for taking on a cell phone, said police Lt. Darrell Graham.
Gutierrez tried to run away after the crash but was soon arrested, police said. He was booked on suspicion of vehicular manslaughter, evading arrest, vehicle theft and being a felon in possession of a firearm, police said. A gun was allegedly found in the truck.
A passenger, Joshua Simmons, 24, of Concord was also taken into custody. He is also a parolee, police said. Both are being held without bail.

[Pantless Spency]

wow i wonder if der affe knows the dude....

[etxxz]

both those dudes look like trash. they were driving with crap and trash on the bed. just out of common sense and general principle, you see two dudes like that driving, you run their plates. I don't care if they were wearing their seatbelts, driving respectfully and obeying the law. Even if i saw them walking around walmart i would know, these dudes probably don't do bad stuff. look at the mugshot of the one dude with tattoos of tears and a what the hell is on his chin. Now i wanna punch them in the face even more..! pardon the hate.. RIP e30 guy.. hope wasn't anyone on here, but by the looks of the car and age, i guarantee he was a fellow r3ver. God knows what they were up to to be running cellphone or not. They were both parolees... now the story starts to unravel..

[Peterkaczynski]

wow so sorry to hear this

[Ryan...]

Your point is semantics at best. While guy had reason to RUN. If there was not a pointless law passed solely to generate revenue (You know cell phone laws, seat belt laws, ect...) were not in place then the cop would not have been going after him causing the dude to run right???


Like I said the cop is not at fault 1 bit, I am not saying that, at all, the guy who ran is, one bad decision after another, but I trust my point has been made.

Point taken, I agree. My statement wasn't based solely towards you <3

[ayemattyyy]

This is why scum like this are lucky I didn't choose to join the police force... because I personally wouldn't have the restraint from holding back on wailing into them when I caught them.

RIP to the innocent victim that lost their life.

And leave the cops out of this. They were doing their job.

Mugshots.

[mrsleeve]

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Its not the cop I am taking the issue with its the law and the primary purpose of it, that he was using to justify him doing his job that is the issue

[TwoJ's]

Whenever a thread involving police is started, you can basically bet your life there will be at least two people that have nothing more to add than "Fuck the police."

I wonder if they know how stupid that really makes them look? Last I checked, it was in the police officer's job description to pursue and detain criminals? Now, its pretty safe to assume that if a driver tries to escape police, there's a damn good chance they're hiding something from the law that would put them behind bars (that means its illegal, kids), and that person probably deserves to be in jail. So when a police officer pursues this person, they typically have a set speed in regards to the scenario (city vs country) in which they stop pursuing. I"m guessing these vehicles were not doing 100mph, damage like that could be something as slow as a 40mph vs 40mph impact; ie not very fast.

So to all the idiots that have nothing to contribute, think before you post "Fuck the Police". K? Thanks.

* and on the flip side; if the driver had gotten away, pulled out his gun and shot 4 kids at a bus stop, the same naysayers would be screaming, "Why didn't the police officers STOP them?????"

Where did anyone say "fuck the police"? That poster didn't say that and clearly doesn't mean it. He just wonders about the viability of police chases, and is a bit confused about how they go down. I agree that they can't start just letting everyone speed off without giving chase... then everyone would start doing it. It is all up to the officer(s) to make a judgement call about whether it is worth chasing after a guy. It's an opportunity cost thing, and they are trained to make the decision. There indeed are situations where it is more prudent to give up chase and turn to radio/helicopter/other units to get them.

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Its not the cop I am taking the issue with its the law and the primary purpose of it, that he was using to justify him doing his job that is the issue

So you're saying that it should be legal to talk on/use a cell phone whilst driving? Maybe in the rural areas you drive that would be fine, but in areas with a lot of traffic, some people simply can't drive and use their phone at the same time. I see it all of the time... someone is driving shittily and when you pass them, they are oblivious because they're using their phone.

Arguing that people using their phones doesn't hamper their driving is foolish. The law is there because someone on their phone is endangering the lives of all of the other people on the road, not to generate revenue.

BUT, something like the seat belt law is unconstitutional in my opinion, and I believe that it is complete bull shit. I am doing nothing to endanger someone else if I'm not wearing my seat belt. It's a fucking personal choice and they are chipping away at our freedom by enforcing the law. I got pulled over for a seat belt while I was on a two mile trip in traffic so I was maxing out at about 15 mph. I almost always wear it, but in this case it just wasn't needed. The cop told me that on that specific shift, he was out to exclusively ticket people for not wearing their belts. I got very angry about that one.

[tom d]

BUT, something like the seat belt law is unconstitutional in my opinion, and I believe that it is complete bull shit. I am doing nothing to endanger someone else if I'm not wearing my seat belt.

in theory i would not argue your point, but in practice it's a different matter. the problem as i see it is money. if someone is very seriously hurt in an accident due to the lack of using a seat belt, then it becomes a public money problem. it is the public that picks up the expense of medical support, either by higher medical cost, higher insurance cost, or higher tax expense.

[Raxe]

Dumbest argument ever.

The very fact you're debating whether it was the police officers fault or the fault of the law makers is obscene, how about IT WAS THE CRIMINALS FAULT? It's absolutely ridiculous how many Americans would much sooner shift blame to the people trying to help them instead of the people who hurt them. It's shameful, really.

[mrsleeve]

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See thats where we differ, many Americans believe its not the job of the govt to help or protect us from the inherent risks involved with day to day life. While you seem glad let go of your freedoms to in order to shift the responsibility for your self on to someone/something else, I/we are NOT...................

Where did anyone say "fuck the police"? That poster didn't say that and clearly doesn't mean it. He just wonders about the viability of police chases, and is a bit confused about how they go down. I agree that they can't start just letting everyone speed off without giving chase... then everyone would start doing it. It is all up to the officer(s) to make a judgement call about whether it is worth chasing after a guy. It's an opportunity cost thing, and they are trained to make the decision. There indeed are situations where it is more prudent to give up chase and turn to radio/helicopter/other units to get them.



So you're saying that it should be legal to talk on/use a cell phone whilst driving? Maybe in the rural areas you drive that would be fine, but in areas with a lot of traffic, some people simply can't drive and use their phone at the same time. I see it all of the time... someone is driving shittily and when you pass them, they are oblivious because they're using their phone.




Arguing that people using their phones doesn't hamper their driving is foolish. The law is there because someone on their phone is endangering the lives of all of the other people on the road, not to generate revenue.

BUT, something like the seat belt law is unconstitutional in my opinion, and I believe that it is complete bull shit. I am doing nothing to endanger someone else if I'm not wearing my seat belt. It's a fucking personal choice and they are chipping away at our freedom by enforcing the law. I got pulled over for a seat belt while I was on a two mile trip in traffic so I was maxing out at about 15 mph. I almost always wear it, but in this case it just wasn't needed. The cop told me that on that specific shift, he was out to exclusively ticket people for not wearing their belts. I got very angry about that one.

yes the only reason those laws are passed are for the sole reason of making money for the municipality.

If you are to ban cell usage than you need to ban more than 1 person in a car as you can get just as heated and drive as shitty while talking to them in person, I see that all the time too.

Driving is a responsibility and you aught to know when to hang it up, because conditions warrant it. I drive in some of worst urban environments on the east coast in a low visibility (pick up sized truck) all the time. Philly, NYC, Newark, ABE, even DC and Baltimore on occasion when I am working I fucking hate it and dont use the phone unless I have to in those environments. So dont pigeon hole me as a rural hick that dose not really know what hes ranting about

there is a time and a place, and blanket banning is the issue, if you are driving shitty while on the phone then ticket for that, not just the blanket use of the phone. Punish shitty driving/decision making regardless of the cause....................... In the point of the thread, if there was not a BLANKET ban (to make cash for the municipality that is prolly broke) to justify the cop doing his job then we would not be having this debate now would we.

Again I am not bashing the cops here, and the ass hat was breaking the law an made the decision to run too boot, BUT its the reasoning for the law that is the issue and if it was not in place in general this would have never happened. The law is not there for the safety of us all its there to generate revenue. So the easy 100 bucks for the local govt, cost someone their life, and that same govt hundreds of thousands of dollars in housing and prosecution costs


Tom: If you are legal while driving a lack of seat belt injury dose not = public money, its why you pay your fucking insurance premiums, and have to have it, as a condition of you driving your car.

[kingston]

Rest in peace Joseph Dale Smith. Poor guy. :(

[Raxe]

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See thats where we differ, many Americans believe its not the job of the govt to help or protect us from the inherent risks involved with day to day life. While you seem glad let go of your freedoms to in order to shift the responsibility for your self on to someone/something else, I/we are NOT...................

If you're cool with armed convicted felons driving around, more power to you. Personally I'm happy the police are making an effort to keep them off the streets.