Question for Mac guys only.

[Tvan]

I think we'll be surprised with a smooth transition. Since Apple came out with OSX, they've been simultaneously developing OSX and all of their software on Mac and Intel machines. They plan to release versions of software that will support both processors for quite a while.

They have had a working version of OS X on x86 intel processors for over a year, that has already been taken care of, as well as a coding scheme built into newer programs that will transtlate instrucions to the PowerPc format on-the-fly. Apple has everything pretty much in order, third party support is the only thing that will be spotty for awhile.

I think the site got shut down by Apple, but a couple months ago some guys in France got a developer's kit of x86 OS X to work on a beige box, they had pictures and everything.

[AdironRider]

Wow, not having a computer lets the posts rack up before I can check it again. To be honest the switch is really not going to affect my computing personally. I surf the net and play music. Someday Ill have a digicam and Ill take pictures and I burn cd's. I dont think Id ever experience a problem as I wont be needed photoshop, etc.

[permit]

But Apple is known to test their new products by letting customers buy them when a product first comes out. Example: the Video iPod; has bugs, has flaws, and Apple is taking quite a while to come out with an update because they have to let customers give enough feedback to release a successful update. The first Intel Macs will be awesome and all, but they'll be the basic model--something they just come out with to have the product on the market. Another three months later and they release an even fast laptop, high resolution, faster disk reader/burner, etc.

So, I'm going to be buying my new lappie in about 12 months, not 1-6 months.

[Dave]

FWIW, my firm has made a fair amount of money on claims against apple for its shit powerbooks. While many of them are problems with their crappy ass screens, there are a whole host of hardware issues with them.

[permit]

Congratulations.

[Charlie]

But Apple is known to test their new products by letting customers buy them when a product first comes out. Example: the Video iPod; has bugs, has flaws, and Apple is taking quite a while to come out with an update because they have to let customers give enough feedback to release a successful update. The first Intel Macs will be awesome and all, but they'll be the basic model--something they just come out with to have the product on the market. Another three months later and they release an even fast laptop, high resolution, faster disk reader/burner, etc.

So, I'm going to be buying my new lappie in about 12 months, not 1-6 months.

So, if MSFT does this, it's a horrible product full of bugs released by the evil empire. When Apple does it, it's "allowing the customer to test the product and give feedback before apple releases a better and more expensive model".

Give me a fucking break.

-Charlie

[permit]

"Bugs" in Apple products are...hmmm, maybe a button that won't work in an application, iPods not being able to play one song...thats about it. A flaw in Microsoft is the entire OS. Because it sucks. It has no security. For instance, Windows ME...by far Microsofts worst product ever...probably helped in the fall of the empire (from the godly state it was in during the late 90s). Apple's only big flop product was the G4 Cube, and thats only because it couldn't cool enough, everything else was fine.

PeeCee users will always bash Apple users. Apple users will always bash PeeCee users. Thats how it works...it keeps competition tight even with such a huge dominance by Microsoft. This thread could go on forever, and every Windows user would speak their mind, defend their product; then the small amount of Mac users would speak their mind, defend their product, and it would get locked. I'm just trying to help...well, I don't know his name (Fife?), but I'm trying to help him decide on a Mac laptop, not bash heads with you almighty veterans.

[Tvan]

So, if MSFT does this, it's a horrible product full of bugs released by the evil empire. When Apple does it, it's "allowing the customer to test the product and give feedback before apple releases a better and more expensive model".

Give me a fucking break.

-Charlie

No, just when Microsoft announces huge security vulnerabilities in IE 6, the worlds leading web browser, nearly five years after it's release. Sounds like Microsoft's taking their damn sweet time with their product testing. And they just announced yesterday that IE 7 won't debut until "sometime" in 2006, so those who use IE 6 will have to enjoy using their shitty browser until next year.

[Digitalwave]

I beg to ask the question: What is wrong with IE6, and why is it shitty?

[benDASHDASH]

So, if MSFT does this, it's a horrible product full of bugs released by the evil empire. When Apple does it, it's "allowing the customer to test the product and give feedback before apple releases a better and more expensive model".

Give me a fucking break.

-Charlie

[AdironRider]

"Bugs" in Apple products are...hmmm, maybe a button that won't work in an application, iPods not being able to play one song...thats about it. A flaw in Microsoft is the entire OS. Because it sucks. It has no security. For instance, Windows ME...by far Microsofts worst product ever...probably helped in the fall of the empire (from the godly state it was in during the late 90s). Apple's only big flop product was the G4 Cube, and thats only because it couldn't cool enough, everything else was fine.

PeeCee users will always bash Apple users. Apple users will always bash PeeCee users. Thats how it works...it keeps competition tight even with such a huge dominance by Microsoft. This thread could go on forever, and every Windows user would speak their mind, defend their product; then the small amount of Mac users would speak their mind, defend their product, and it would get locked. I'm just trying to help...well, I don't know his name (Fife?), but I'm trying to help him decide on a Mac laptop, not bash heads with you almighty veterans.

Dont worry man, Im a former MAC user but made the switch only because my private school just didnt support them at all. I made the switch and Ive had nothing but problems ever since. I bought the ibook as it is now as soon as it was initially released and didnt have one problem with it. It came with the very first version of OS X as well, and while it didnt really run all that fast (it was only a 500 mhz g3!) it was perfect. No pop ups, no spyware. It didnt crash on me once in the entire year I owned it. Prior to that I had an old performa. 75mhz or something. That thing was rock solid. My little sister still uses it today.

[hamann318is]

I didn't mean that Apple physically made their own chips...but they bought from someone far less popular than Intel.

Macs are able to be faster on less processor performance; for example, PCs have been running on 3ghz+ for some time now, and Mac has yet to cross the 2.7 mark, yet they still out perform the Dells, IBMs, Gateways...whatever you guys use, Sonys, etc.

Yeah, January is usually when they put new products out, and June is when they announce future products. I got my lappie two years ago for XMas, and ~12 days later, it was completely outdated. Thats how they get your money though, great marketing skills.

I don't agree with that. The G5 dual-processor machine is not all that impressive for what it is. I was happiest with my Dell running a Gentoo install of Linux, but that's just me.

I have problems with the Powerbook being slow and unresponsive. Finder hangs all the time, and I have to reboot. I was under the impression that that wasn't a Mac trait, but I know now it's BS. No one has a perfect product, and there are problems with all the them. The End.

[h0lmes]

I used PC's all my life up until I got my Powerbook in June. I am already 10x more pleased with my Powerbook then I ever was with a PC. I can't play games, but thats my only complaint. Everything else is better with OSX, photos, music, video editing, etc. People can have their opinions but the truth is, OSX is a much better operating system all around. When Vista comes out Apple will be right there with Leopard.

[Tvan]

I beg to ask the question: What is wrong with IE6, and why is it shitty?

Well here's a flaw they found last week that lets hackers get into personal files through Google desktop.
http://news.com.com/IE+flaw+lets+int...23.html?tag=nl

Here's one from three days before that involving a trojan horse that runs through a hole in IE.
http://news.com.com/Trojan+horse+rid...3-5977161.html

Nine days before that, here's another story that is a code optimized for attacking through a hole in IE.
http://news.com.com/Attack+code+rele...3-5965247.html

Security researchers said the IE vulnerability has been known for the past six months, but had previously been seen as a conduit for denial-of-service attacks rather than the remote execution of code.

This software has been out for half a decade, and this shit happens every week. Need any more examples?

I don't agree with that. The G5 dual-processor machine is not all that impressive for what it is.

He wasn't correct in that statement (which I corrected on page three), the reason Apple's do not take that much processing power is due to the Unix base and the efficient coding architecture, which is nothing like DOS in any way, shape or form. This is also why mac's typically demand more RAM then PC's (which is why your powerbook must have seemed slow.) And Linux is also UNIX based with a very efficient coding method, which is why most linux users can get away with running on a Pentium III and 256 mb of RAM.

I used PC's all my life up until I got my Powerbook in June. I am already 10x more pleased with my Powerbook then I ever was with a PC.

Ditto, except I got mine in July ;)