Anyone here into guns?

[chase]

About the US having highest gun death rates because our 'right to bear arms' is an ignorant statement. In the US for 2001, there were 29,573 deaths from firearms, a third of which were homicide, and and 3% which was accidental. Just some numbers for you to think about.

[Digitalwave]

About the US having highest gun death rates because our 'right to bear arms' is an ignorant statement. In the US for 2001, there were 29,573 deaths from firearms, a third of which were homicide, and and 3% which was accidental. Just some numbers for you to think about.

No doubt. Cigaretts kill nearly half a million people a year but I doubt holmes cares that the government is doing much to put a stop to cigarette sales.

[X2theZ3]

If you're in the know, then you'll know what's up with california and a recent court case which has made certain guns legal for a limited amount of time. Would anyone know where I can purchase a self-loading .223 or 5.56mm stripped lower receiver? I need one ASAP :D

Try your local gang member on the corner for ASAP.

May I ask why anyone would need a AK47?

I do: i have 3. Yeah, it's definitely not a hunting gun; more like a "don't fuck with me" gun. Or an "OOOKay, jjjuuu wanna play rought" gun.

[h0lmes]

No doubt. Cigaretts kill nearly half a million people a year but I doubt holmes cares that the government is doing much to put a stop to cigarette sales.

Oh, I've got plenty to say about cigarettes, and alcohol for that matter. But thats a different issue. And I totally agree that it's people that do the killing and not the guns. However, you can take away guns but you can't take away the people. I think a happy medium between anti-gun folks and pro-gun folks would be to just have stricter gun laws. If you really are just going to use the gun for sport and not to kill people then you shouldn't have anything to worry about when it comes to background checks and such.

[Rob]

ok, you could expand that and say a happy medium between a police state and true freedom is the patriot act, yet people are screaming bloody murder about that, not necessarily because they are worried about getting caught, but simply on principle.

tougher gun laws DO NOTHING FOR CRIME, that is a fallacy, they are simply ways for politicians to claim they are being proactive. Think about it, for me to buy a full auto M16, I have to go through a years worth of ATF background checks and paperwork, , huge fees, and pay out the ass for a pre-86 (transferable) rifle. That's a pretty stringent regulation. Or I could file a thing or two on a regular old semi automatic something, and rock and roll. Which effects the criminal? Which effects the law-abiding enthusiast?

So no, 'stricter gun laws' is not an acceptable "compromise," How about actually enforcing and punishing people who break current laws instead of creating new ones to not enforce? Would you be willing to put up with higher insurance rates, police harassment, higher fees and more paperwork, and more hoops to jump through for your car hobby because of street racers? Oh wait, we do, and it fucking sucks.

[h0lmes]

The simple fact of the matter is that there are lots of criminals in todays society and since we are also a part of that society we are shit out of luck sometimes. It's not right to let criminals run free with guns just because you want to do some target practice on the weekend. If stricter gun laws save one life then it will all be worth it.

[Digitalwave]

The simple fact of the matter is that there are lots of criminals in todays society and since we are also a part of that society we are shit out of luck sometimes. It's not right to let criminals run free with guns just because you want to do some target practice on the weekend. If stricter gun laws save one life then it will all be worth it.

You are still missing the point. I hate to say it but guns don't kill people, people kill people. A gun, a knife, a baseball bat, a toaster, it doesn't matter what the weapon is. If someone really wants to kill another person, they aren't going to say "well fuck me, I don't have a gun so I guess I won't kill them."

[golde30]

i think any1 who lives in a big city where pretty much every1 is a stranger, should have a gun in the house. i mean shit, i dont even know the ppl who live across the street from me, and i been living in the same house for like 10yrs...

that being said, we have 3 handguns and an ar15 in the house.

[hamann318is]

You are still missing the point. I hate to say it but guns don't kill people, people kill people. A gun, a knife, a baseball bat, a toaster, it doesn't matter what the weapon is. If someone really wants to kill another person, they aren't going to say "well fuck me, I don't have a gun so I guess I won't kill them."

Yeah, exactly right. Say someone wanted to kill someone else... not having a gun isn't going to stop them. You could apply the same logic to car theft. No matter what alarm system you have, if someone wants your car bad enough, he'll get it. The entire debate over gun laws is just some stupid method to get people elected.

I have no desire to use a gun ever except at a shooting range, and I don't own one. We're in the heart of the South as well. Granted, my dad has a left-handed shotgun, but I think I've seen it a total of one time.

[AndrewBird]

A gun, a knife, a baseball bat, a toaster, it doesn't matter what the weapon is.

I couldn't help but laugh at that. I've always wanted to see someone get beat with a Game Cube though. It does have a very nice handle on it.

As far as gun laws go, I'm on the side that guns don't kill people, people kill people. And if you are going to kill someone, gun laws aren't going to stop you. I don't know the figures, but I can pretty much guarantee that most of the criminals in the world that own guns, didn't buy them legally. So stricter gun laws is a mute point.

[royalflush313]

The simple fact of the matter is that there are lots of criminals in todays society and since we are also a part of that society we are shit out of luck sometimes. It's not right to let criminals run free with guns just because you want to do some target practice on the weekend. If stricter gun laws save one life then it will all be worth it.

Although I support your side of the view, you do have to realize that many of the gun related homicides involves stolen or unregistered guns. Most of the smarter criminals are not going to use a gun registered their name to commit a crime.
Having said that, registered guns can be stolen too - and that can obviously add to the problem.

Canada currently has a fairly large controvercy regarding gun ownership, and enforcing stricter laws etc - what needs to be done is dealing with the illegal importation of firearms - however that may be done.

Oh yah, spousal homicides or intimate murders are one of the most common forms of homicides (at least in Canada), and such in most cases are erratic emotion based killing - and guns make it easier to kill. It is much more difficult to kill a person with a toaster.

Either way, if you think about the murders and in what circumstances they occur - it is more effective to target these circumstances, not the gun itself, to reduce murders.
The ratio of innocent murders (per population) while you mind your own business, leading a mature life is pretty small.
No-one bothers to look at who is doing the killing, who is being killed, and more importantly, who is not doing the killing, and who is not being killed - the gun only aids in the circumstances in which one kills or be killed, it's way too much work for the gov't to get to the root.

I'm against guns, but I also can't stand the yappy anti-gun arguments and how they think that the gov't's enforcement of tougher gun laws will actually do much.

[royalflush313]

Homicides by relationship and weapon type, 1990-2002

Relationship of
victim to offenderTotalGunKnifeBlunt objectForceOther weaponHusband100%70%26%2%1%2%Ex-husband100 87 9 1 0 2 Wife100 68 14 5 9 4 Ex-wife100 78 12 2 6 2 Boyfriend100 46 45 3 3 3 Girlfriend100 57 19 5 14 5
Without an access to gun, at least some of those murders would not have happened.



Probably the same here - no access to guns - reduction in murders that occured. But obviously would not get rid of the murders all-together. That's why the stricter gun enforcement law is kinda stupid imo. Unless the stricter law is used in conjunction with getting to the reason in which these problems occur, it's just an easy way out to satisfy some angry citizens.

[h0lmes]

You are still missing the point. I hate to say it but guns don't kill people, people kill people. A gun, a knife, a baseball bat, a toaster, it doesn't matter what the weapon is. If someone really wants to kill another person, they aren't going to say "well fuck me, I don't have a gun so I guess I won't kill them."

You can't even begin to compare those things to a gun. A baseball bat was made for playing baseball, a toaster for toasting bread. Guns on the other hand were made for killing. Guns also kill with a lot more accuracy and efficiency then almost anything else. Take the DC area sniper for example. He shot 13 people from hundreds of yards away with his rifle that he purchased legally from a gun shop. You can't do that with a toaster. And you can't honestly tell me that letting people freely purchase/own firearms has nothing to do with high violent crime rates in this country. Canada has had some form of gun legislation since the 1800's and strict legislation beginning in the 1970's. Their murder rate isn't even half of what ours is.

[Addissimo]

A family member of mine was murdered while fishing by a gunshot to the head.

I fucking hate guns. I wish they were never invented. I wish we still yielded swords around, but no, we have weapons that turns everybody into a waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles, and allows people to kill without even being near their enemy.

I'll never own a gun, but thats just me.

[Digitalwave]

A family member of mine was murdered while fishing by a gunshot to the head.

I fucking hate guns. I wish they were never invented. I wish we still yielded swords around, but no, we have weapons that turns everybody into a waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles, and allows people to kill without even being near their enemy.

I'll never own a gun, but thats just me.

I'll never own a gun either, but that doesn't change my opinions on them.