Chev-a-lay SS

[CabbE30]

I'd like it more if it was made here

[Wild Ride]

So basically from what I gathered its a heavier 4 door on a camaro SS driveline. Trying to make 4000+ cars sporty is pointless it will never be a proper drivers car bit it will be better than an awd Taurus SHO. Meh
I do like the rwd choice and that the NASCAR version will bear a closer resemblance to the car you can buy.

[J3M93]

This is what you guys really want though right?


I've seen these being driven round by 20-something year old tradies, they sound good.

[Charlie]

I'm pretty sure we're getting this car next year, as the Imapla. Base models will be FWD, & the SS will be RWD

I'm pretty sure you didn't read the article.

No manual is unbelievable!? What is this an ls3 car?

It's a 4000lb 4 door sedan with 415+ ft/lb of torque aimed at 50+ year old americans, why is that surprising? It's not like you're going to have to work to keep it in the powerband.

Also this whole rebadged Australian car does really fit here in America imo. There to sporty looking.

Um..

I don't think Americans (myself included ) can appreciate tidy sports sedans, I love me some 96 impala tho if you get where I going. Just look at the G8 sales. I think for any sedan to sell well here it has to be big, manly, hairy and aggressive like the Charger. I think the CTSV only does well because it appeals to more than just blue blooded Americans, like yuppies and those who would also consider euro cars. Something called a "Chevy SS" will likely only appeal to blue blooded Americans and I don't think its imposing enough for us to buy in. We will see tho.

It will probably tank eventually, simply because "enthusiast" buyers usually wilt when it comes time to actually spending money rather than just talking about it on the internet. That being said, they're only bringing 5000 to the US.

On a side note I'm I the only one waiting on ford to ditch the live rear axle, and drop that coyote in a Lincoln and go after cts? I think this would transform Lincoln like cts did Cadillac

You don't remember the Lincoln LS, do you? Late nineties through the mid 2000's, platform share with a Jaguar S type, platform eventually modded to become the current Mustang, RWD, V8, Stick shift available, etc.

No one bought it. It tanked.

That said, not gonna happen. Lincoln's going all in with crossovers and such like that.

-Charlie

[JasonC]

Oh hell, I didn't notice they where just going to call it an SS. That's a bit lame....

[CrusherCurtis]

It's a 4000lb 4 door sedan with 415+ ft/lb of torque aimed at 50+ year old americans, why is that surprising? It's not like you're going to have to work to keep it in the powerband.

If that's there target demographic then they fail already, because look at it. It looks like something pointed squarely at generation Y. How many 50 year olds bought the G8? This car looks like a Chevy evolution of it.

Not having a manual is surprising because they have everything in place to do it, if its an ls3 or probably even an lt1 car. Not doing so would just be them missing out on a piece of the market, which is insane for a company like GM.

Um..

You cannot name a GM, Chrysler or Ford fast sport sedan that sold well before the CTSV. As I explained Cadillac really reached out to a lot more than blue blooded Americans. Historically we don't like them. Just compare G8 to Charger sales.

It will probably tank eventually, simply because "enthusiast" buyers usually wilt when it comes time to actually spending money rather than just talking about it on the internet. That being said, they're only bringing 5000 to the US.

By this logic no sports car would ever sell.

You don't remember the Lincoln LS, do you? Late nineties through the mid 2000's, platform share with a Jaguar S type, platform eventually modded to become the current Mustang, RWD, V8, Stick shift available, etc.
No one bought it. It tanked.
That said, not gonna happen. Lincoln's going all in with crossovers and such like that.

I motion for ban for bring up the Lincoln LS. The Lincoln LS was not a serious attempt an attempt at a sports car like the cts is/was. It was a tradition RWD Lincoln and probably failed because it was small by there standards. The Lincoln LS shared the s type platform, but even worst it shared the Jaguar AJ V8 (only offered 30 more horse than the v6 at 225) which is probably the most unreliable v8 of all time. It was obviously aimed squarely at 50 year olds. The is all unlike the CTS. The CTSV is a halo for Cadillac. Lincoln needs that. There too far gone into there new design language and crossovers to hold there older buyers. Look at how much Cadillac demographic has changed, Lincoln needs to do same and they need a genuine go fast car (like every body else) to do so. Richard Hammond said the problem the auto industry is that everyone wants to be BMW. He's right, but it sells.

[JamesE30]

Hey I worked on this at holden! well.. not directly but I was there during the final stages of it.. Here's a pic of the clay model at work *from google images*



Just got released to media a few days ago.
I'm sure some of you would be surprised to hear that this was designed in australia too.



Within almost any major design studio. Designers will work on projects for any number of subdivisions of that brand. whether its in australia, america, germany, england etc.. For example designers of bmw in munich could possibly be working on projects for mini in England, designers of GM in California may be working on projects for chevrolet in india...
you see the corporations. .are all corporationyy..

[M-technik-3]

Isn't this car just the current GM offering to police departments? Or better yet scale it down and make a new taxi fleet.

Electronic shocks oh yeah... I just did mine in my 02 Tahoe $245 a corner, Hence why electronics while cool can suck later.

[M-technik-3]

You don't remember the Lincoln LS, do you? Late nineties through the mid 2000's, platform share with a Jaguar S type, platform eventually modded to become the current Mustang, RWD, V8, Stick shift available, etc.

No one bought it. It tanked.

That said, not gonna happen. Lincoln's going all in with crossovers and such like that.

-Charlie

V8 Never came with a stick on the LS. If you wanted one you needed to do a transmission swap. Few guys in my area are running them, not a bad ride.

[Pac1373]

I theoretically like the LS cars, and a G8 was pretty sexy for an American car (I have to admit, I still have a bias against NA cars for some reason)

but the argument that the new SS does not even have a manual isn't really surprising to anyone that has been following the auto industry for the last 15 years.
most fucking people under 30 don't even know how to operate a manual and although there are big pools of us "enthusiasts" on the internet, I think statistically we are a small group.

I had an Auto A4 quattro awhile ago, and I have to admit, I would never have thought I could enjoy a "sporty" car without a manual, I didn't hate it. honestly it is pretty convenient sometimes.

I agree that it still belongs in sports cars, but this car isn't that.

hell most old school muscle cars I have ever owned or known others to have owned, were Auto's and that didn't make much difference to those cars either...

I think this is a move in a better direction than another low budget FWD car like the new Dart.

and I hate the new Charger btw, Challenger yes, Charger No.

any new Front engine RWD car is a good thing imho.

[Charlie]

Isn't this car just the current GM offering to police departments? Or better yet scale it down and make a new taxi fleet.

It's an updated/facelifted car, but yea, it's essentially the same thing as the Caprice they've been selling to forces the past 2 years or so.

-Charlie

[CrusherCurtis]

(I have to admit, I still have a bias against NA cars for some reason)

Either your gay or 15 years old.

but the argument that the new SS does not even have a manual isn't really surprising to anyone that has been following the auto industry for the last 15 years.

2 reasons why no manual in this car makes no sense d.

1. This is not a Ferrari, GTR, Lamborghini etc. so they're not dropping the manual in favor of a DCT for performance like those companies do. Its a regular automatic.

2. I have hunch that this is an LS3 powered car. If this is the case they don't have to waste alot of development cost to put a manual in it. They have the tr6060 already. Even if it is an lt1 car, the lt1 will make its way to Camaro soon enough and have a manual transmission. There's one in the new stingray already (albeit and remounted one).

[M-technik-3]

Article said it was an LS3

[Pac1373]

Either your gay or 15 years old.


2 reasons why no manual in this car makes no sense d.

1. This is not a Ferrari, GTR, Lamborghini etc. so they're not dropping the manual in favor of a DCT for performance like those companies do. Its a regular automatic.

2. I have hunch that this is an LS3 powered car. If this is the case they don't have to waste alot of development cost to put a manual in it. They have the tr6060 already. Even if it is an lt1 car, the lt1 will make its way to Camaro soon enough and have a manual transmission. There's one in the new stingray already (albeit and remounted one).

I am neither gay and I am way the fuck past my teens. I have been around long enough that I really do know when NA cars were all shit.

Most of them still look that way. Unless you are buying a truck, suv, or muscle car I feel there are better options for me.

But since you obviously like to insult people who do not share your opinion...

You are clearly too retarded to realize that Chev is in business to make money...
There was after their analysis no financial upside to offer a manual trans.

So they didn't.

Even if it makes obnoxious, statistically insignificant, internet enthusiasts like yourself sad.

Get over yourself.

[E30SPDFRK]

It will probably tank eventually, simply because "enthusiast" buyers usually wilt when it comes time to actually spending money rather than just talking about it on the internet. That being said, they're only bringing 5000 to the US.

-Charlie

The reason most "enthusiast" cars tank is the manufacturers always fuck something up at the last minute. When they do eventually build a car that's good all around or has problems that people can easily overlook, they usually sell quite well. Take the evo/sti, f/brz, genesis coupe, Elise/exige, corvette etc for example.

Either your gay or 15 years old.


2 reasons why no manual in this car makes no sense d.

1. This is not a Ferrari, GTR, Lamborghini etc. so they're not dropping the manual in favor of a DCT for performance like those companies do. Its a regular automatic.

2. I have hunch that this is an LS3 powered car. If this is the case they don't have to waste alot of development cost to put a manual in it. They have the tr6060 already. Even if it is an lt1 car, the lt1 will make its way to Camaro soon enough and have a manual transmission. There's one in the new stingray already (albeit and remounted one).

Calm it down with the personal insults and forcing your opinion on others, OK?