4th of July DUI Checkpoint & Guy getting shot for holding a water nozzle

[delatlanta1281]

Take the time and read it.

It's important that we use SWAT teams to break up home poker games and kill people's dogs............even when on leashes.

Dont feel like reading it. But I will say that if there's a poker game that gets raided in my neck of the woods, you better believe they are going in hot. Of course Atlanta isn't Mayberry.

[Herr Faust Schinken]

I generally have a pretty good opinion of POs, although I mostly deal with the German and Swiss ones. All were very polite and usually let me go quick. I'm a bit on the fence w/ Swiss border police because they see my Cabrio as a druggie car, they've stopped me 6 times in the vert, 0 times in my 190E while using them about 50/50... the vert's been searched twice, but only superficially.
Btw: They use shoes on their dogs as to not scratch your car... I like that.

As for the video posted: Vid #2 is tragic and certainly a devastating mistake by the police, the first vid looks like the "right" kind of people met each other... a wise-ass kid and a cop who obviously felt insecure. In the end, I hope they both learned their lesson, but that's probably not the case.

From what I've heard about most European cops most of them seem really chill, maybe it's because there crime rate is lower or because people actually know how to drive

[Vokuhila]

I generally have a pretty good opinion of POs, although I mostly deal with the German and Swiss ones. All were very polite and usually let me go quick. I'm a bit on the fence w/ Swiss border police because they see my Cabrio as a druggie car, they've stopped me 6 times in the vert, 0 times in my 190E while using them about 50/50... the vert's been searched twice, but only superficially.
Btw: They use shoes on their dogs as to not scratch your car... I like that.

As for the video posted: Vid #2 is tragic and certainly a devastating mistake by the police, the first vid looks like the "right" kind of people met each other... a wise-ass kid and a cop who obviously felt insecure. In the end, I hope they both learned their lesson, but that's probably not the case.

[z31maniac]

That wasn't directed at you. It was directed at other posts. I clicked on your link, got @ 10 pop ups, then saw how long it was and killed the window. I don't have that kind of time or the attention span to read that thing man!
Also, if people today would stop acting like total assholes to each other, maybe there wouldn't be a reason to ratchet up the way police deal with them. There is a serious problem with society today, and for sure doesn't start with our peace officers.
Case in point: I don't act like an asshole, no one with authority messes with me.... Fact.

Take the time and read it.

It's important that we use SWAT teams to break up home poker games and kill people's dogs............even when on leashes.

[delatlanta1281]

It's an article regarding the militarization of the police force in this country and the unsettling results.

It doesn't talk about this case or his rights. It's showing how this is a systemic problem around the country, a problem with the institution and how little people seem to care about it.

That wasn't directed at you. It was directed at other posts. I clicked on your link, got @ 10 pop ups, then saw how long it was and killed the window. I don't have that kind of time or the attention span to read that thing man!
Also, if people today would stop acting like total assholes to each other, maybe there wouldn't be a reason to ratchet up the way police deal with them. There is a serious problem with society today, and for sure doesn't start with our peace officers.
Case in point: I don't act like an asshole, no one with authority messes with me.... Fact.

[z31maniac]

(I don't need to cut and paste shit from the web, I actually know what his rights are under the law, and there are pleeenty of ways the police can come back and say they had probable cause to detain).

It's an article regarding the militarization of the police force in this country and the unsettling results.

It doesn't talk about this case or his rights. It's showing how this is a systemic problem around the country, a problem with the institution and how little people seem to care about it.

[frankenbeemer]

But these people are here to protect you.

In a general sense, yes, they are here to protect and serve, but the militarization of the police is out of control and the general attitude of the police is "us vs them". They will lie to you and abuse their authority if you even annoy them. Even more so if you are asserting your rights. This has got to change. Kudos to this kid for pushing back.

he is working with the public if it was any other job where you got that mad that quickly he would get fired on the spot.

all comes down to police who go on a power trip, and take it out on the first person who does not follow them 100%

That's right. Why can't you assert your rights without the police trying to "teach you a lesson"? I call that unprofessional. The thin blue line protects its own to the point that the bad apples spoil the whole barrel. I hope that more people assert their rights in this manner, the police aren't going to do the right thing without pressure from the public.

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%e2%...ut_of_control/

This is actually what it is all about, thanks for posting. If you didn't read this, please get out of this thread.

Finally got a chance to watch the video... That window was down far fuckin enough. I was under the impression it was down just enough to pass paper through or something. It didn't even look like his windows were tinted. I'm gonna go with asshole cop on this one.

I agree.

[delatlanta1281]

The only other thing I will say is this. You can't see what the officer can see. all you can see is what the camera shows. If the kids face implied he was nervous, or his eyes were darting around, it may have alerted the police to something. Probably not though, and I understand that. However detaining an individual for the purpose of investigating behavior is something the police are allowed to exercise. And you can't see what the officer can, so you cannot make a judgement on the detainee's word. Just because his hands are on the wheel does not mean he isnt exhibiting some sort of sign to trigger an investigation. That's what the police will/ should say if questioned on this. Even though, we all know it's probably not the case, there is gray area, and that's all they need to close the book on this video.
I still think the reaction the kid was looking for was the one the police exhibited. Is it wrong? Sure. Does it infringe on his rights? Definitely (I don't need to cut and paste shit from the web, I actually know what his rights are under the law, and there are pleeenty of ways the police can come back and say they had probable cause to detain). Is the kid going to sue the police department or his city government for infringing on said rights? Probably not. Why? Because he isn't upset that his rights were infringed upon, he went in knowing that would be a possibility. He did this to prove a point. Point taken. human error is everywhere, and if you go looking for it, you will most likely find it. Especially when you poke at it.

[gtdragon980]

I'm saying none of you have been in the position of the cop! Or anywhere close to that. I can't put it any simpler than that, I've said it 20 times try seeing it from an officers point of view which you are still failing to do.

Either way it was a DUI checkpoint. Checking drivers if they are under the influence. The kid was obviously not and could have proved it by breathalyzer. His window was open enough to converse and pass documents. He was not rude but simply stated his rights and did not give in to the intimidation. There was nothing that indicated he had drug paraphernalia, weapons or anything else for that matter. Frail white kid driving a hand me down car, sounds real sketchy huh ;-)?

[gtdragon980]

So since a cop didn't help you in one situation where you probably provoked a guy, then I guess all cops are useless and we don't need them huh? Lol get real dude, maybe they didn't come to your rescue cause they thought you would have some sense and pull off the road and get out of that situation. But no you continue to follow a guy whose trying to run you off the road into the next state? Do you not hear how retarded you sound?

If moving in to the slower lane to allow the speeder to pass is provoking, then sure you are right. But that's simply not the case. I tried slowing down and pulling over. The guy continued to harass me slamming his brakes in front of me and attempting to ram me on the side of my car. Don't believe it? Go watch that video someone posted of the road rage guy. If I had pulled over, I was almost certain he would pull over as well and maybe pull a gun on me. I think I was better off keeping my distance after he sped off and watched if a single state trooper came in to pull him over. I don't see any stupidity if I wasn't in danger at the time I began following him.

[lambo]

Finally got a chance to watch the video... That window was down far fuckin enough. I was under the impression it was down just enough to pass paper through or something. It didn't even look like his windows were tinted. I'm gonna go with asshole cop on this one.

[travish325]

That's really ignorant to say. I have been in many situations where a cop has harassed me in this manner showed by the video. No there was nothing I did on my part to provoke it, I followed and obeyed every order. I learned there is no reason to let them push you around like that when they really had no ground to in the first place. Sure the kid was looking for trouble, but in all reality, it showed what some of these officers do or say when we aren't listening. It is just more proof that there needs to be control on their power.

I'm saying none of you have been in the position of the cop! Or anywhere close to that. I can't put it any simpler than that, I've said it 20 times try seeing it from an officers point of view which you are still failing to do.

[z31maniac]

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%e2%80%9cwhy_did_you_shoot_me_i_was_reading_a_book_the_new_warrior_cop_is_out_of_control/

[travish325]

I'm sorry but in all situations that I desperately needed police assistance, they have never came through for me. I live in a highly policed state, so cops are damn near everywhere. The one time I needed help on the highway because some asshole was trying to run me off the road in his big pickup, not one single cop showed up. I followed the guy all the way to the next state over and not one single officer was alerted to catch the guy.

So since a cop didn't help you in one situation where you probably provoked a guy, then I guess all cops are useless and we don't need them huh? Lol get real dude, maybe they didn't come to your rescue cause they thought you would have some sense and pull off the road and get out of that situation. But no you continue to follow a guy whose trying to run you off the road into the next state? Do you not hear how retarded you sound?

[gtdragon980]

Its easy to tell none of you have by the way you are acting about this. Don't have to be a god to see that lol

That's really ignorant to say. I have been in many situations where a cop has harassed me in this manner showed by the video. No there was nothing I did on my part to provoke it, I followed and obeyed every order. I learned there is no reason to let them push you around like that when they really had no ground to in the first place. Sure the kid was looking for trouble, but in all reality, it showed what some of these officers do or say when we aren't listening. It is just more proof that there needs to be control on their power.