Range Rover vs. Bikers

[VinniE30]

It's been confirmed that they attacked the vehicle and slashed a tire at the first stop.

Show me the source. Not saying your wrong but you can't see from the video because the rider with the camera stop too far ahead to see what's going on.

Anyway, lets say they did slash a tire for the sake of discussion... You guys think that justifies both attempted murder / vehicular manslaughter and hit and run? That's insane. Especially when the person they ran over wasn't even doing anything wrong.. It's pretty normal if there's an accident and both vehicles involved have stopped, for you to also stop and make sure they're ok or help out, especially if it's someone you know or were riding with.

This is equivalent to me seeing an accident and walking up to a car involved, meanwhile the car starts moving and runs me over, all because someone else decided to attack them. Was I in the wrong to walk in front of a stopped car that is clearly stopped after an accident as they should be? Of corse not.

If you want to make the case for self defense, that doesn't apply to the person that got run over. It's like someone breaking and entering my house with a gun and me shooting them. That could be justified under castle doctrine. But not if I also went out into the street and shooting other people who may or may not be involved.

If the driver never sped off and ran over those riders I don't think there would have been any violence.

Like I said before, both the driver, and several riders were in the wrong in this scenario.

[VinniE30]

http://www.rightthisminute.com//video/biker-speaks-out-biker-suv-incident-nyc

[5ickride]

Funny how most of them decided to chase down the SUV instead of staying back to help their "friend" that just got ran over.

[BraveUlysses]

Remember, it wasn't until AFTER rider got run over that they started acting violently towards the driver.
After the rider was rear ended all you can see is the range rover and a bunch of riders coming to a stop. No evidence of anyone attacking the range rover at that point. It's ridiculous that people would justify what the range rover driver did here by saying that it was OK because he was "scared" being surrounded by a bunch of motorcycle riders. Really? So because your scared that makes attempted murder with your giant SUV OK?

It's been confirmed that they attacked the vehicle and slashed a tire at the first stop.

[bimmerteck]

vid down :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztWs7RJ6Ne0

[///M42 sport]

vid down :(

[ajhostetter]

Terrible example: Until the final moments of the altercation all of Martin's(and Zimmerman's for that matter) actions were legal, the evidence presented in the wrongful death case proved that Travon may not have ever escalated to illegal behavior(alleged assault) had Zimmerman's actions not provoked him.

Mieses had absolutely no legal right to be operating a motor vehicle on a public roadway.

Though the right to self defense is particularly weak in NY, even a two bit attorney could easily end the suit several different ways including but not limited to; assumption of risk, comparative negligence, or defense of others.

^ This. Hooliganism, proud 1%, etc...you're asking for it. It's really sad that Mieses, a father and husband is going to, at best, be paralyzed for the rest of his life. However, the blame lies squarely with his actions. Not those of anyone else.

[bimmerteck]

Even though that will play in court, he will be found liable for the injury inflicted to the rider. His family just hired on Gloria Allred to represent them. I was not saying right or wrong but Alexian is about to get it hard.


Ex: Travon Martin family got a wrongful death settlement case to be more than $1 million, even though Zimmerman was found not guilty of the murder.

Terrible example: Until the final moments of the altercation all of Martin's(and Zimmerman's for that matter) actions were legal, the evidence presented in the wrongful death case proved that Travon may not have ever escalated to illegal behavior(alleged assault) had Zimmerman's actions not provoked him.

Mieses had absolutely no legal right to be operating a motor vehicle on a public roadway.

Though the right to self defense is particularly weak in NY, even a two bit attorney could easily end the suit several different ways including but not limited to; assumption of risk, comparative negligence, or defense of others.

[canadiankid]

Stop, you will confuse him with that kind of logic.;)

Ps. he now has no legs to stand on...

That was ice cold.....but i laughed.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Vedubin01]

"Mieses was a habitual traffic offender whose right to drive in Massachusetts was revoked until 2017, records show."

So let me get this straight, you think that the rider with no insurance and no valid license, illegally riding a motorcycle on public streets has a leg on which to stand legally.

:popcorn:

Even though that will play in court, he will be found liable for the injury inflicted to the rider. His family just hired on Gloria Allred to represent them. I was not saying right or wrong but Alexian is about to get it hard.


Ex: Travon Martin family got a wrongful death settlement case to be more than $1 million, even though Zimmerman was found not guilty of the murder.

[dsphil]

I think this what happen based on the youtube video. Lien appears to be at the right lane in front of a white T biker who also have the intention of slow down Lien. because the position of the camera and the perspective line of view, the white T biker will not appear if he is traveling at speed faster than Lien. when Lien saw a gap in the center lane, he switched to center lane and speed up in pace with the bikes for a moment. Cruz was in the center lane behind Lien and speed up in front of Lien. Look closely.

Yes, Lien already knew there are reckless bikers out there because he already reported to police before the incident. I am pretty sure there are multiple attempts to slow down Lien on that stretch of the highway already.

[10Toes]

"Mieses was a habitual traffic offender whose right to drive in Massachusetts was revoked until 2017, records show."

So let me get this straight, you think that the rider with no insurance and no valid license, illegally riding a motorcycle on public streets has a leg on which to stand legally.

:popcorn:

Stop, you will confuse him with that kind of logic.;)

Ps. he now has no legs to stand on...

[bimmerteck]

Who wants to take a bet that the Driver of the SUV will get charged and he will be liable for the injury to the biker that is in a coma?

"Mieses was a habitual traffic offender whose right to drive in Massachusetts was revoked until 2017, records show."

So let me get this straight, you think that the rider with no insurance and no valid license, illegally riding a motorcycle on public streets has a leg on which to stand legally.

:popcorn:

[10Toes]

show me where I posted anything that was pertaining to that story other than posting a link of more up to date stuff on the story?

I then posted about who wants to make a bet that the RR gets charges and sued.

You made it a point to post this in bold

Official: Biker may have been trying to help the driver

[Vedubin01]

Did you even bother reading the article you just linked, the guy that was seen punching the window claims he was trying to protect the driver of the Range Rover

show me where I posted anything that was pertaining to that story other than posting a link of more up to date stuff on the story?





I then posted about who wants to make a bet that the RR gets charges and sued.