Range Rover vs. Bikers

[Vedubin01]

How ignorance are you to assume everyone to know the braking capability of bikes and accelerations, and how hypocritical that you said most people don't pay attention to bikes while you said the driver was paying attention in his rear view mirror. I just don't get it.

Grammar be grammar...

Keep things in context

[dsphil]

I guess you are blinded. The driver cut off one of the bikes, in which the biker in white kinda break checked him. As admitted they were doing 40-50mph at the time. Anyone with a Rover knows it is more than capable of stopping as fast as the bike let off acceleration. Most likely the driver of the SUV was paying attention in his rear view mirror and did not even see the break check.

Maybe the break check was to get his attention as most people dont pay attention to bikes.

After the the 1st hit, that's what set off the bikers and became the issue.

How ignorance are you to assume everyone to know the braking capability of bikes and accelerations, and how hypocritical that you said most people don't pay attention to bikes while you said the driver was paying attention in his rear view mirror. I just don't get it.

[Vedubin01]

Um no.

Mine has disc brakes all around (as do all Range Rovers), 4 pot front, and 2 pot rear calipers, huge mother fuckers.

Electronic brake booster/pump, although the RR in the event has vacuum booster.

No way.

Reaction time in that brake check was probably not enough for the RR driver to touch the brake pedal. Remember the average (median) reaction time is 215 milliseconds. Motorcycle guy was like 1" away.

Watch the video and show me where the front of the hood of the RR even remotely dipped by breaking.

[Vedubin01]

What magical video are you seeing that?

"I don't break check but when I do and get hit, I try to run bigger cars than me off the road."

And if you're such a believer in being able to protect yourself and your family then what do you see that's so disgusting by the RR's reaction?

Please show me physical proof that the bikes when stopped by the break check accident slashed, intimidated, or touched the RR. PLEASE, 1 picture, 1 video 1 anything. Nothing as of yet as been shown.

The only video that has aired to my knowledge is the one at the beginning of the thread. No where do you see anyone assaulting slashing, or causing harm to the RR.

All you see is a bunch of bikes that stopped around the car. Why because the first guy (break check guy) just broke 2 legs in the accident.

The guy in the RR freaks out and takes off fearing what "could" happen after he just hit one of the fellow bikers.

Taking off striking several bikes and placing 1 in a coma. Then that is when the bikes all took off and chased down the guy in the RR.


Again prove me wrong with physical evidence.


Now if the bikes just drove town the highway kicking and beating up cars on the way, then I can see using what necessary force is needed to project the family.

[slammin.e28]

Anyone with a Rover knows it is more than capable of stopping as fast as the bike let off acceleration.

Um no.

Mine has disc brakes all around (as do all Range Rovers), 4 pot front, and 2 pot rear calipers, huge mother fuckers.

Electronic brake booster/pump, although the RR in the event has vacuum booster.

No way.

Reaction time in that brake check was probably not enough for the RR driver to touch the brake pedal. Remember the average (median) reaction time is 215 milliseconds. Motorcycle guy was like 1" away.

[Dozyproductions]

I guess you are blinded. The driver cut off one of the bikes, in which the biker in white kinda break checked him. As admitted they were doing 40-50mph at the time. Anyone with a Rover knows it is more than capable of stopping as fast as the bike let off acceleration. Most likely the driver of the SUV was paying attention in his rear view mirror and did not even see the break check.

Maybe the break check was to get his attention as most people dont pay attention to bikes.

After the the 1st hit, that's what set off the bikers and became the issue.

What magical video are you seeing that?

"I don't break check but when I do and get hit, I try to run bigger cars than me off the road."

And if you're such a believer in being able to protect yourself and your family then what do you see that's so disgusting by the RR's reaction?

[Vedubin01]

what are you talking about. the biker interviewed admitted "that's what we call break checking".

A motorcycle break checking a RANGE ROVER while the driver is getting surrounded and frightened for his life. Even if this Lien was shouting curses it's still the most retarded thing the bikers could of done.

I guess you are blinded. The driver cut off one of the bikes, in which the biker in white kinda break checked him. As admitted they were doing 40-50mph at the time. Anyone with a Rover knows it is more than capable of stopping as fast as the bike let off acceleration. Most likely the driver of the SUV was paying attention in his rear view mirror and did not even see the break check.

Maybe the break check was to get his attention as most people dont pay attention to bikes.

After the the 1st hit, that's what set off the bikers and became the issue.

[dishwab]

Maybe if you watched the latest video posted you would have an explanation of why the guy break checked the driver of the SUV. Then you would kinda understand the part you watched.

I did watch that video, and while the guy speaking about it seems reasonable, I am prone to believe video evidence vs. the words of someone who has every reason to tell a biased account. I have a feeling that even if he did cut the biker off initially, that wasn't the first incident here. What reasonable person would try to initiate a conflict with a group 30+ people?

I'm not here to argue with anyone so this is the last input I have, but from literally every other video posted about this incident, it's clear as day that some of these bikers (not all) were acting brazenly unsafe and aggressive, towards both this driver and others. The man in that last video who states that they were "actually obeying the laws" conveniently ignores the blatant disregard for the law they displayed numerous times in numerous videos (including the wheelie and lane sharing going on in the video AS he says it).

Anyway, it's too bad that anyone at all was injured in this entirely unavoidable situation, but as I said before - only one side here gets my sympathy.

[willworkfore30s]

I think its not that difficult to figure out what most likely happened. RR came up on a ton of bikers. He didn't like what they were doing so he reported them to the police and then cut some of them off to prove his point. One of the cut off bikers didn't appreciate it and brake checked the RR. RR, most likely hot headed didn't brake enough to avoid hitting the biker in what was probably a split second decision of aggression. Brake checking biker gets hit. Bikers get pissed and come at RR. RR has an oh fuck moment and guns it running over some bikers. At this point its on. Bikers chase RR and eventually beat dudes ass but not without some damage being done to themselves along the way.

RR is probably an asshole trying to prove a point. He probably thought the bikers didn't have a right to be where they were doing what they were doing. He provoked them very idiotically.

Bikers reacted unlawfully but not unexpectedly in my opinion. Situation escalated.

[Dozyproductions]

Maybe if you watched the latest video posted you would have an explanation of why the guy break checked the driver of the SUV. Then you would kinda understand the part you watched.

what are you talking about. the biker interviewed admitted "that's what we call break checking".

A motorcycle break checking a RANGE ROVER while the driver is getting surrounded and frightened for his life. Even if this Lien was shouting curses it's still the most retarded thing the bikers could of done.

[Vedubin01]

Can't say I have much sympathy for the bikers. I'm not typically one to promote violence in any context, but it's so blatantly obvious that they were acting in a threatening manner and trying to intimidate the driver.

Maybe if you watched the latest video posted you would have an explanation of why the guy break checked the driver of the SUV. Then you would kinda understand the part you watched.

[dishwab]

Can't say I have much sympathy for the bikers. I'm not typically one to promote violence in any context, but it's so blatantly obvious that they were acting in a threatening manner and trying to intimidate the driver. Not sure what I would've done in that situation, but I can't blame the driver of the SUV one bit, especially considering that his family was in the car.

The people at the end of the video trying to bash in the windows (specifically, the back window, where a TWO YEAR OLD CHILD was seated) clearly didn't have much regard for their safety.

[Vedubin01]

Show me the source. Not saying your wrong but you can't see from the video because the rider with the camera stop too far ahead to see what's going on.

Agree, there is no proof on any (so far posted) video that the slashing started at the first hit. Most likely at the 2nd when the truck took off as the guy tried to enter the door.


Good looks on the video you posted as well.

[FlexdXJ]

You can stand in front my car all day. If I felt my life is threaten and my fastest only escape route is in front, you can check the oil leaks while you're down there.
In the meantime, just waiting for more witness to give statement because there is a car behind the scene and witness the whole thing.
And if there is no violence, I don't think the driver would speed off.

Plus, its less paperwork than using the hollow points! :D

[dsphil]

Show me the source. Not saying your wrong but you can't see from the video because the rider with the camera stop too far ahead to see what's going on.

Anyway, lets say they did slash a tire for the sake of discussion... You guys think that justifies both attempted murder / vehicular manslaughter and hit and run? That's insane. Especially when the person they ran over wasn't even doing anything wrong.. It's pretty normal if there's an accident and both vehicles involved have stopped, for you to also stop and make sure they're ok or help out, especially if it's someone you know or were riding with.

This is equivalent to me seeing an accident and walking up to a car involved, meanwhile the car starts moving and runs me over, all because someone else decided to attack them. Was I in the wrong to walk in front of a stopped car that is clearly stopped after an accident as they should be? Of corse not.

If you want to make the case for self defense, that doesn't apply to the person that got run over. It's like someone breaking and entering my house with a gun and me shooting them. That could be justified under castle doctrine. But not if I also went out into the street and shooting other people who may or may not be involved.

If the driver never sped off and ran over those riders I don't think there would have been any violence.

Like I said before, both the driver, and several riders were in the wrong in this scenario.

You can stand in front my car all day. If I felt my life is threaten and my fastest only escape route is in front, you can check the oil leaks while you're down there.
In the meantime, just waiting for more witness to give statement because there is a car behind the scene and witness the whole thing.
And if there is no violence, I don't think the driver would speed off.