Range Rover vs. Bikers

[dsphil]

I think this what happen based on the youtube video. Lien appears to be at the right lane in front of a white T biker who also have the intention of slow down Lien. because the position of the camera and the perspective line of view, the white T biker will not appear if he is traveling at speed faster than Lien. when Lien saw a gap in the center lane, he switched to center lane and speed up in pace with the bikes for a moment. Cruz was in the center lane behind Lien and speed up in front of Lien. Look closely.

Yes, Lien already knew there are reckless bikers out there because he already reported to police before the incident. I am pretty sure there are multiple attempts to slow down Lien on that stretch of the highway already.

[Vedubin01]

"Mieses was a habitual traffic offender whose right to drive in Massachusetts was revoked until 2017, records show."

So let me get this straight, you think that the rider with no insurance and no valid license, illegally riding a motorcycle on public streets has a leg on which to stand legally.

:popcorn:

Even though that will play in court, he will be found liable for the injury inflicted to the rider. His family just hired on Gloria Allred to represent them. I was not saying right or wrong but Alexian is about to get it hard.


Ex: Travon Martin family got a wrongful death settlement case to be more than $1 million, even though Zimmerman was found not guilty of the murder.

[canadiankid]

Stop, you will confuse him with that kind of logic.;)

Ps. he now has no legs to stand on...

That was ice cold.....but i laughed.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[bimmerteck]

Even though that will play in court, he will be found liable for the injury inflicted to the rider. His family just hired on Gloria Allred to represent them. I was not saying right or wrong but Alexian is about to get it hard.


Ex: Travon Martin family got a wrongful death settlement case to be more than $1 million, even though Zimmerman was found not guilty of the murder.

Terrible example: Until the final moments of the altercation all of Martin's(and Zimmerman's for that matter) actions were legal, the evidence presented in the wrongful death case proved that Travon may not have ever escalated to illegal behavior(alleged assault) had Zimmerman's actions not provoked him.

Mieses had absolutely no legal right to be operating a motor vehicle on a public roadway.

Though the right to self defense is particularly weak in NY, even a two bit attorney could easily end the suit several different ways including but not limited to; assumption of risk, comparative negligence, or defense of others.

[ajhostetter]

Terrible example: Until the final moments of the altercation all of Martin's(and Zimmerman's for that matter) actions were legal, the evidence presented in the wrongful death case proved that Travon may not have ever escalated to illegal behavior(alleged assault) had Zimmerman's actions not provoked him.

Mieses had absolutely no legal right to be operating a motor vehicle on a public roadway.

Though the right to self defense is particularly weak in NY, even a two bit attorney could easily end the suit several different ways including but not limited to; assumption of risk, comparative negligence, or defense of others.

^ This. Hooliganism, proud 1%, etc...you're asking for it. It's really sad that Mieses, a father and husband is going to, at best, be paralyzed for the rest of his life. However, the blame lies squarely with his actions. Not those of anyone else.

[///M42 sport]

vid down :(

[bimmerteck]

vid down :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztWs7RJ6Ne0

[BraveUlysses]

Remember, it wasn't until AFTER rider got run over that they started acting violently towards the driver.
After the rider was rear ended all you can see is the range rover and a bunch of riders coming to a stop. No evidence of anyone attacking the range rover at that point. It's ridiculous that people would justify what the range rover driver did here by saying that it was OK because he was "scared" being surrounded by a bunch of motorcycle riders. Really? So because your scared that makes attempted murder with your giant SUV OK?

It's been confirmed that they attacked the vehicle and slashed a tire at the first stop.

[5ickride]

Funny how most of them decided to chase down the SUV instead of staying back to help their "friend" that just got ran over.

[VinniE30]

http://www.rightthisminute.com//video/biker-speaks-out-biker-suv-incident-nyc

[VinniE30]

It's been confirmed that they attacked the vehicle and slashed a tire at the first stop.

Show me the source. Not saying your wrong but you can't see from the video because the rider with the camera stop too far ahead to see what's going on.

Anyway, lets say they did slash a tire for the sake of discussion... You guys think that justifies both attempted murder / vehicular manslaughter and hit and run? That's insane. Especially when the person they ran over wasn't even doing anything wrong.. It's pretty normal if there's an accident and both vehicles involved have stopped, for you to also stop and make sure they're ok or help out, especially if it's someone you know or were riding with.

This is equivalent to me seeing an accident and walking up to a car involved, meanwhile the car starts moving and runs me over, all because someone else decided to attack them. Was I in the wrong to walk in front of a stopped car that is clearly stopped after an accident as they should be? Of corse not.

If you want to make the case for self defense, that doesn't apply to the person that got run over. It's like someone breaking and entering my house with a gun and me shooting them. That could be justified under castle doctrine. But not if I also went out into the street and shooting other people who may or may not be involved.

If the driver never sped off and ran over those riders I don't think there would have been any violence.

Like I said before, both the driver, and several riders were in the wrong in this scenario.

[dsphil]

Show me the source. Not saying your wrong but you can't see from the video because the rider with the camera stop too far ahead to see what's going on.

Anyway, lets say they did slash a tire for the sake of discussion... You guys think that justifies both attempted murder / vehicular manslaughter and hit and run? That's insane. Especially when the person they ran over wasn't even doing anything wrong.. It's pretty normal if there's an accident and both vehicles involved have stopped, for you to also stop and make sure they're ok or help out, especially if it's someone you know or were riding with.

This is equivalent to me seeing an accident and walking up to a car involved, meanwhile the car starts moving and runs me over, all because someone else decided to attack them. Was I in the wrong to walk in front of a stopped car that is clearly stopped after an accident as they should be? Of corse not.

If you want to make the case for self defense, that doesn't apply to the person that got run over. It's like someone breaking and entering my house with a gun and me shooting them. That could be justified under castle doctrine. But not if I also went out into the street and shooting other people who may or may not be involved.

If the driver never sped off and ran over those riders I don't think there would have been any violence.

Like I said before, both the driver, and several riders were in the wrong in this scenario.

You can stand in front my car all day. If I felt my life is threaten and my fastest only escape route is in front, you can check the oil leaks while you're down there.
In the meantime, just waiting for more witness to give statement because there is a car behind the scene and witness the whole thing.
And if there is no violence, I don't think the driver would speed off.

[FlexdXJ]

You can stand in front my car all day. If I felt my life is threaten and my fastest only escape route is in front, you can check the oil leaks while you're down there.
In the meantime, just waiting for more witness to give statement because there is a car behind the scene and witness the whole thing.
And if there is no violence, I don't think the driver would speed off.

Plus, its less paperwork than using the hollow points! :D

[Vedubin01]

Show me the source. Not saying your wrong but you can't see from the video because the rider with the camera stop too far ahead to see what's going on.

Agree, there is no proof on any (so far posted) video that the slashing started at the first hit. Most likely at the 2nd when the truck took off as the guy tried to enter the door.


Good looks on the video you posted as well.

[dishwab]

Can't say I have much sympathy for the bikers. I'm not typically one to promote violence in any context, but it's so blatantly obvious that they were acting in a threatening manner and trying to intimidate the driver. Not sure what I would've done in that situation, but I can't blame the driver of the SUV one bit, especially considering that his family was in the car.

The people at the end of the video trying to bash in the windows (specifically, the back window, where a TWO YEAR OLD CHILD was seated) clearly didn't have much regard for their safety.