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[asubimmer]

since everyone is posting websites...there you go http://www.megabaud.fi/~lampola/engl...evidences.html

and riddle me this...if matter can not be created or destroyed...then how would evolution have started? It couldn't have come from nothing.

[Insanity]

Wow, you people are absurd.

Want some proof of evolution? Go read about bacteria. Due to their rapid reproduction rate, evolution occurs much more rapidly in bacteria as opposed to more complex organisms. Ever heard of a "strain" or bacteria, or an "antibiotic-resistant bacteria"? That's evolution.

Evolution happens, it is a FACT, get over it.

Now, there is still debate about the origin of humans, but it's really not that much of a stretch to assume that if small changes can happen, then if you compound those small changes over the course of billions of years, you're going to get big changes. So, maybe we evolved from monkeys. Maybe we evolved from snails. Point is, everything pretty obviously evolved from something.

As for carbon dating being bunk: you are retarded.

Carbon dating operates off of measuring the amount of radioactive carbon in carbon-based life forms. Due to the fact that X% of carbon is of the radioactive isotope (something which is approximately constant throughout the entire universe), and the fact that we know the half-life of that given radioactive isotope, carbon dating then becomes a trivial process.

Half-lives and isotope concentrations are not flimsy things, they are VERY guaranteed and VERY repeatable.

[Insanity]

since everyone is posting websites...there you go http://www.megabaud.fi/~lampola/english/17evidences.html

and riddle me this...if matter can not be created or destroyed...then how would evolution have started? It couldn't have come from nothing.

I assume you've never taken a chemistry class in your life?

The CORRECT statement is:

Matter cannot be created or destroyed in a chemical reaction.

That's the law of conservation of matter. You most CERTAINLY can destroy matter, just not via a chemical reaction. An atomic explosion is created by destroying matter, which completely obliterates it and transforms it into a given amount of energy given by the oh-so-famous e=mc^2. Mater-antimatter collisions are another case where matter is 100% annihilated.

[arsevader]

my question is that if we came from monkeys then why are they still on the planet and there aren't any of the animals btw us? If we came from monkeys then we are obviously better then them and they should be extinct.

We didn't decend from the monkeys that are here today and anyway it's APES not monkeys. And you are talking as if extinction happens over a weekend. Lots of the animals on this planet are becoming extinct due to Humans being 'better'.

Homo Sapiens and today's apes are decended from a common ancestor. Or at least that's the theory, which accounts for a hell of lot more than saying that everything was created at the same time.

I understand that Evolution can be a bit of a tough pill to swallow but I can't wrap my head around people that insist that Dinosaurs are part of some great evolutionist conspiracy.

[AppState325]

Wow, you people are absurd.

Want some proof of evolution? Go read about bacteria. Due to their rapid reproduction rate, evolution occurs much more rapidly in bacteria as opposed to more complex organisms. Ever heard of a "strain" or bacteria, or an "antibiotic-resistant bacteria"? That's evolution.

Evolution happens, it is a FACT, get over it.

Now, there is still debate about the origin of humans, but it's really not that much of a stretch to assume that if small changes can happen, then if you compound those small changes over the course of billions of years, you're going to get big changes. So, maybe we evolved from monkeys. Maybe we evolved from snails. Point is, everything pretty obviously evolved from something.

you're confusing different types of evolution. That is a huge problem today. Your point about the bacteria has a huge flaw - the bacteria was already there, it didn't change. It was able to survive however, due to having a resistant gene. Evolution among species happens everyday, but between the species, nope

[asubimmer]

the problem here is the term evolution is overused. it means too many things. Yes things can change some BUT that does not mean that we came from monkeys. The thing is we are talking about the "evolution" about us apparently coming from monkeys and crap and some idiot comes in talking about us changing. Yes we change BUT we don't become new species and things. Soo guys what are we supposed to evolve into next?!?!? I really want to know that.

[arsevader]

and riddle me this...if matter can not be created or destroyed...then how would evolution have started? It couldn't have come from nothing.

And yet you conveniently use the argument that 'God' created everything from nothing. Where did God come from?

This thread could go on indefinetly. Nobody's going to back down on their position. That's what make forums fun and exciting. ;)

We can leave this thread and still help people who's opinions are vastly opposed to our own.

[Insanity]

you're confusing different types of evolution. That is a huge problem today. Your point about the bacteria has a huge flaw - the bacteria was already there, it didn't change. It was able to survive however, due to having a resistant gene. Evolution among species happens everyday, but between the species, nope

What? How are you suggesting it changed then? You have no idea what you're talking about. You've already admitted to being a PHILOSOPHY MAJOR, meaning:

A) You don't have a degree.
B) You haven't taken any upper-division science classes.

If you have Bacteria A, and some of Bacteria A is resistant to penicillin, how do you suppose that it GOT resistant to penicillin? Allele mutation occurs during reproduction of ALL organisms. When you introduce penicillin to the bacteria, MOST of them die. The few bacteria which are reistant live on, which breeds a whole new, resistant strain of said bacteria.

It IS evolution. What you're attempting to address (poorly) is that some people push for the terminology difference of Macro and Micro evolution, but the fact is that there is no difference. How many changes of micro do you need before you consider something to be different?

It's lunacy to suggest that somehow you can have microevolution, but macroevolution is impossible. Macro is simply an extension of micro.

[Insanity]

the problem here is the term evolution is overused. it means too many things. Yes things can change some BUT that does not mean that we came from monkeys. The thing is we are talking about the "evolution" about us apparently coming from monkeys and crap and some idiot comes in talking about us changing. Yes we change BUT we don't become new species and things. Soo guys what are we supposed to evolve into next?!?!? I really want to know that.

Well, nice job dodging my complete refutation of your bullshit via science, but anyway:

We won't evolve any more. Modern society eliminates natural selection.

No natural selection = no evolution (at least on a meaningful scale).

[AppState325]

ok, Mr. Insanity, I assume you HAVE a degree in science, and know more about the topic than a PROFESSOR FROM BERKELEY?? you must be smart

[AppState325]

Well, nice job dodging my complete refutation of your bullshit via science, but anyway:

We won't evolve any more. Modern society eliminates natural selection.

No natural selection = no evolution (at least on a meaningful scale).

ok, you messed up there. What about Africa and the primitive tribes? They by no means are in a modern society. What evidence do you have that modern society is the cause for the apparent stop in evolution?

[asubimmer]

What? How are you suggesting it changed then? You have no idea what you're talking about. You've already admitted to being a PHILOSOPHY MAJOR, meaning:

A) You don't have a degree.
B) You haven't taken any upper-division science classes.

If you have Bacteria A, and some of Bacteria A is resistant to penicillin, how do you suppose that it GOT resistant to penicillin? Allele mutation occurs during reproduction of ALL organisms. When you introduce penicillin to the bacteria, MOST of them die. The few bacteria which are reistant live on, which breeds a whole new, resistant strain of said bacteria.

It IS evolution. What you're attempting to address (poorly) is that some people push for the terminology difference of Macro and Micro evolution, but the fact is that there is no difference. How many changes of micro do you need before you consider something to be different?

It's lunacy to suggest that somehow you can have microevolution, but macroevolution is impossible. Macro is simply an extension of micro.

you are a fool...you are talking about the survival of the fitest. Yes that is true to some extent. like you said the best fit ones are going to survive longer. but that is NOT evolution. think about it though. if a fish grew legs to become a rabit or some land creature...he would be eaten b/c he is slower than the other fish. Survival of the fitest proves evolution wrong. For someting to mutate enough to be superior of the rest of the species it would be near impossible (but can still happen) and even more you would need two of them the same to pass on the elite traits.

[asubimmer]

ok I think its time for this smiley

[arsevader]

ok, Mr. Insanity, I assume you HAVE a degree in science, and know more about the topic than a PROFESSOR FROM BERKELEY?? you must be smart

Now I think you are confusing the term 'Smart' with the term 'Correct' or 'Non-Biased'. Just because someone is a Prof doesn't automatically make them correct.

For example.

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/butz.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=2&item=butz

[Insanity]

ok, Mr. Insanity, I assume you HAVE a degree in science, and know more about the topic than a PROFESSOR FROM BERKELEY?? you must be smart

My point is more that you don't know dick, and you're trying to cover that up by repeatedly referencing a college professor.

BEING a professor simply means that you should be able to back your arguments, something which the man you're referencing CANNOT DO. It doesn't just magically make you right.

ok, you messed up there. What about Africa and the primitive tribes? They by no means are in a modern society. What evidence do you have that modern society is the cause for the apparent stop in evolution?

Africa is a third-world country, hence it is not part of modern society and natural selection therefore still occurs to some extent.

you are a fool...you are talking about the survival of the fitest. Yes that is true to some extent. like you said the best fit ones are going to survive longer. but that is NOT evolution. think about it though. if a fish grew legs to become a rabit or some land creature...he would be eaten b/c he is slower than the other fish. Survival of the fitest proves evolution wrong. For someting to mutate enough to be superior of the rest of the species it would be near impossible (but can still happen) and even more you would need two of them the same to pass on the elite traits.

You are an absolute moron. Natural Selection is a required component of evolution. If there are no selective forces, evolution will never occur because those with the more favorable traits are no more able to survive than those with the less favorable traits.

I'll try to explain, since it's obvious you know nothing about what you're talking about.

Say out of all the rabbits in the world, a rabbit is born that is smarter, faster, more virile and attractive than any other rabbit in the world. Let this rabbit be known as SuperRabbit. Now, SuperRabbit survives where many of his companions fail. He doesn't get eaten by anything, and he survives longer and produces more offspring. This is something that probably happens over the course of 10-15 years. Now, he breeds with other rabbits, which due to gene propogation makes some of his offspring also SuperRabbits, or at least semi-SuperRabbits, meaning that the trend will continue with all of those rabbits for the next generation. Over the course of many, many years, the majority of rabbits will become SuperRabbits.

Evolution made the SuperRabbit, Natural selection causes the proliferation of the SuperRabbit, which causes the evolution of the SPECIES as a whole.