SD bans all abortions

[Dave]

ok, Mr. Insanity, I assume you HAVE a degree in science, and know more about the topic than a PROFESSOR FROM BERKELEY?? you must be smart

Misinformation at its finest - what else could we expect.

He is not a professor - he works at a Bible-thumping advocacy group. He does not work at Berkeley.

[Dave]

I'll reiterate what I said earlier - You'll not change my mind, nor will I change yours. This is no longer a rational discourse, its just gainsaying.

I am done here.

Again.

[Old'n'Slow]

Hmmmm....

Interesting reading...

Let's divorce ourselves from the religious aspects of this discussion and focus for a moment on personal responsibility. It's something no one seems to be teaching these days. It doesn't matter what the issue is, few are willing to say "it's my fault and I will now bear the consequences for my lack of responsibility".

We need to be very careful about banning abortion outright. It automatically creates a socio-economic issue. The wealthy will continue to have access to doctors willing to perform abortions quietly. At the same time, the poor and uneducated, who statistically give birth to people nearly as likely to become poor, uneducated and a burden to society, are not helped to stop the cycle. Personal responsibility is a tough sell in the ghetto. Hell, it's a tough sell everywhere, even in the halls of the lawmakers.

The abortion argument is the tip of the iceberg. Everyone has an idea about how they feel about the visceral issues. Is it killing? Is it not? When is it OK? Under the circumstances, this argument is less relevant. The real issue is why do so many women appear to want abortions? Better education and opportunities for lower income people are going to be a huge issue in the coming years now that we are moving to a Wal-Mart economy. Our higher paying jobs are being shipped offshore while everyone seeks low prices at all costs. Wal-Mart style pay is virtually automatic poverty. There is an ever-widening gap between poor and rich as the middle class vanishes in America. This gap means that justice will be hard to come by as the lawmakers, who are predominately rich, make law based on comfortable ideas of their perceived superior morality, while the people who have to live in the immoral conditions created by societal and economic injustices are forced to suffer under those laws with little support from the lawmakers.

Should a poor woman, who has been raped, be forced to go through with the pregnancy and birth only to have the child become a ward of the state? Only if those who most vehemently campaign for the child's right to life are also as zealous for taxpayer funded high quality care of the child, once born.

It's a big issue that is not well served by rigid proclamations of righteousness by either side. I have no religious stake in this. I don't believe that humans are privvy to the "will of god". In other words, there does not exist a shred of evidence to support the notion that god, or God, if you must, cares more or less about the fate of the unborn than he/she/it does about the fate of the living. It's not a question with an answer. The question is how will we care for our fellow humans. How we treat the least of them shows who we really are-and right now, it isn't a pretty sight.

[asubimmer]

you want proof that evolution doesn't exist?















stupid people like you are still around

[KenC]

My point is more that you don't know dick, and you're trying to cover that up by repeatedly referencing a college professor.

BEING a professor simply means that you should be able to back your arguments, something which the man you're referencing CANNOT DO. It doesn't just magically make you right.



Africa is a third-world country, hence it is not part of modern society and natural selection therefore still occurs to some extent.



You are an absolute moron. Natural Selection is a required component of evolution. If there are no selective forces, evolution will never occur because those with the more favorable traits are no more able to survive than those with the less favorable traits.

I'll try to explain, since it's obvious you know nothing about what you're talking about.

Say out of all the rabbits in the world, a rabbit is born that is smarter, faster, more virile and attractive than any other rabbit in the world. Let this rabbit be known as SuperRabbit. Now, SuperRabbit survives where many of his companions fail. He doesn't get eaten by anything, and he survives longer and produces more offspring. This is something that probably happens over the course of 10-15 years. Now, he breeds with other rabbits, which due to gene propogation makes some of his offspring also SuperRabbits, or at least semi-SuperRabbits, meaning that the trend will continue with all of those rabbits for the next generation. Over the course of many, many years, the majority of rabbits will become SuperRabbits.

Evolution made the SuperRabbit, Natural selection causes the proliferation of the SuperRabbit, which causes the evolution of the SPECIES as a whole.

Some one who actually sounds as if they've taken a few college-level biology courses.

Motion to ban 'asubimmer' for being a moron?

Read some Stephen Jay Gould. Religion and science don't have to conflict (just as long as religion doesn't try to cross into the realm and scope of science).

[AppState325]

you want to ban him for disagreeing with you?


This conversation died 3 pages ago, and it is a little bit off topic. If you want to believe in evolution as the origin of species, be my guest. What many of you don't realize is that evolution requires faith just as much as Creationism

[KenC]

it was a joke. get over it

[AppState325]

it was a joke. get over it

get over what? I thought it was funny.

[CleanAzzE30z]

Conservative Reublicans want to make sure that the mostly poor have no decision on having an abortion, but fuck it once its out of the womb, cut all the education and after school programs. Be sure to have the kid though when you cant afford it. And wheres the "right to life" when they are pushing pro-gun, pro-war, and pro-death penalty agendas? Its "pro-life" for when its convenient just as the Democrats are full of shit too. WHen it benefits them, then they are pro-life and take the so-called "high road". But when theres dollars to be made, then you can forget about it. Life is negotiable in this case. Disgusting. If you dont like abortions, dont have one. Simple as fucking that. And I GUARANTEE their opinion would change if their white daughter was pregnant by a black kid. We'd see them get the first fucking ticket to Mexico and those so-called "morals" out the window. Gimme a break. I hate talking about this. My opinion.

Mariano

[CleanAzzE30z]

The question is how will we care for our fellow humans. How we treat the least of them shows who we really are-and right now, it isn't a pretty sight.

*thumbs up on that one*

[Apex381]

Jesus Tapdancing Christ

There I had to say it

This thread is insane

[CleanAzzE30z]

Finally a thread of some substance and its insane, lol. ;) :) jk

Mariano

[BimmerToad]

since everyone is posting websites...there you go http://www.megabaud.fi/~lampola/engl...evidences.html

and riddle me this...if matter can not be created or destroyed...then how would evolution have started? It couldn't have come from nothing.

Never thought it would be part of this thread, but

E=MC^2

Matter CAN be created and destroyed (unless you don't feel that Einstein was a 'scientist' like your Berkeley educated think-tank puppet...)

Edit: Insanity responded to this before me ... oh well, better repeat it to get through some thick skulls....

[asubimmer]

Your right...they aren't humans and should all be killed...

[KenC]

Never thought it would be part of this thread, but

E=MC^2

Matter CAN be created and destroyed (unless you don't feel that Einstein was a 'scientist' like your Berkeley educated think-tank puppet...)

Edit: Insanity responded to this before me ... oh well, better repeat it to get through some thick skulls....

The conditions of early Earth were also quintessential for creating organic matter from inorganic. This has also been replicated many times in laboratories.