Let's have a discussion about ZoZo/Ouija/Paranormal BS

[Fusion]

Planning on watching this later today

[slammin.e28]

I heard it was pretty underwhelming and Ham mostly did what everyone else does and just referenced the Bible w/out real hard proof.

[Roysneon]

I'd hope nobody actually cares that you're religious or not

but, do any of you guys still believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny?

No. I respect those who do not beleive in any higher entity by really not caring one way or another, I just find it frustrating having to defend it constantly, so I tend to keep it to myself even when discussion comes up. I think that something that to most is such a large question can only be decided on from your own thoughts, feelings and beliefs, so trying to push what you believe and make others believe the same is useless and not productive.

[nando]

agreed

also, Bill Nye rules!

[Roysneon]

I heard it was pretty underwhelming and Ham mostly did what everyone else does and just referenced the Bible w/out real hard proof.

Yeah, I got no time for fundimentalism. As if the Bible, the Old Testimate especially, is a recorded factual history. I mean, believe what you want, but when it's counter to progress and it gets in the way of how the earth and other people are treated in a negative way, you need to move aside.

[decay]

I heard it was pretty underwhelming and Ham mostly did what everyone else does and just referenced the Bible w/out real hard proof.

pretty much. "the 'word of god' is my starting point, everything else comes from there."

i think bill nye made a mistake in debating the guy; he gave legitimacy where it wasn't deserved.

[slammin.e28]

Lets not forget that the Bible is not what it should be.

It had been picked over many, many times, parts omitted, added, modified, etc, by the Catholic Church.

The Bible today is so modified from it's original context, all to serve and empower the most powerful entity in the world at the time.

WOW this is going P&R quick, lol.

[decay]

Lets not forget that the Bible is not what it should be.

It had been picked over many, many times, parts omitted, added, modified, etc, by the Catholic Church.

hence my quotes around "word of god".

[Holland]

I'm all for paranormal discussion, as I love the stuff, but I don't see this going well.

[Roysneon]

Well basically I don't tempt fate around shit like demons and manevolent spirits, as I do believe they exist is what I'm saying.

[slammin.e28]

Well basically I don't tempt fate around shit like demons and manevolent spirits, as I do believe they exist is what I'm saying.

I have to say I agree.

Better to just leave well enough alone. There is some crazy shit that happens out there. I prefer to not be the source of the next exorcism movie.

[z31maniac]

Does candy and gifts still magically appear in my house on Christmas or Easter morning?

Yes. The answer is yes.

I didn't realize you still lived at home!

Yeah, I got no time for fundimentalism. As if the Bible, the Old Testimate especially, is a recorded factual history. I mean, believe what you want, but when it's counter to progress and it gets in the way of how the earth and other people are treated in a negative way, you need to move aside.

And that's why you find yourself constantly defending it against those who don't believe dinosaurs walked the earth with people. Or boat builders, or any of the other wholly unbelievable things posited in the book.

If your woman comes home pregnant and it wasn't you, are you going to give that up to divine power? Or throw the whore out? ;)

Well basically I don't tempt fate around shit like demons and manevolent spirits, as I do believe they exist is what I'm saying.

Pascal's Wager

I've seen this viewpoint often and to me that doesn't seem like TRUE belief. Just saying it for public opinion points.

[slammin.e28]

I didn't realize you still lived at home!

Doesn't everyone live at "home"?

[lambo]

Well this got interesting

[Roysneon]

And that's why you find yourself constantly defending it against those who don't believe dinosaurs walked the earth with people. Or boat builders, or any of the other wholly unbelievable things posited in the book.

If your woman comes home pregnant and it wasn't you, are you going to give that up to divine power? Or throw the whore out? ;)



Pascal's Wager

I've seen this viewpoint often and to me that doesn't seem like TRUE belief. Just saying it for public opinion points.

I'm just saying that yes, I believe in a heaven and a hell and that there was a higher force that made things happen. That being said, I think all God wants is for people to be happy and treat each other well, not carry anger and vengance in our hearts and to be nice to each other.

Even as a kid, meeting adults in church who seriously believed there was a guy named Moses who lived to be over 600 years old I found hard to swallow. As long as that belief didn't hurt me, who cares? Now creationism and laws passed that affect other people based on one, or a few, people's religious beliefs on what is "right" or "moral" is very very wrong.

And I suppose I was kind of wishy washy with my statement above as well. I do believe in monevolent spirits, call them demons, or ghosts or poltergeists. I do not try to fuck around with certain things because of that.

That link is a very interesting read. I'd never heard of it before.