Forza 4 Challenge #33 Hockenheim Class A DTM

[ELVA164]

Again, if anyone wants to PM me their setup/line/whatever, I'd be happy to give input!

[mulletman]

My strategy has always been lightness, max grip, and then as much power as is allowed.

I'm currently running race compound tires as wide as they go, maximum downforce, and then tweaking minor settings from there. I haven't touched the suspension except for softening the rear sway just a bit, and lowering the ride height a click or so. I've left alignment alone... the turn in seems to be fine. I also got my fastest times with a 5-speed gearbox, to minimize time loss with excess shifting.

What say you? One thought... is there anything to be gained from reducing the brake pressure to make it harder to lock up?

[ELVA164]

My strategy has always been lightness, max grip, and then as much power as is allowed.

I'm currently running race compound tires as wide as they go, maximum downforce, and then tweaking minor settings from there. I haven't touched the suspension except for softening the rear sway just a bit, and lowering the ride height a click or so. I've left alignment alone... the turn in seems to be fine. I also got my fastest times with a 5-speed gearbox, to minimize time loss with excess shifting.

What say you? One thought... is there anything to be gained from reducing the brake pressure to make it harder to lock up?

I agree as far as lightness and grip before power. I always use race compound tires, and depending on the car either use the widest or second-widest widths.

I never use any non-OEM downforce, so I'm not a good source in that respect. I can say maximum downforce, especially on such a fast track, is probably not too good. I would use 25% at most. I use ~-2º in the font and ~-.7º in the rear. .2º toe-in in the front, and anywhere from 5.5 to 6º caster.

I never adjust brake pressure, but I do always set the bias 60% front.

[Nsquared97]

I am almost always spot on with what Mulletman said, lightness/grip before power. Usually go for the race gearbox to play with the ratios, try to keep it just under topping out. Good point on the excess shifting though, never really thought of that.

[mulletman]

I am almost always spot on with what Mulletman said, lightness/grip before power. Usually go for the race gearbox to play with the ratios, try to keep it just under topping out. Good point on the excess shifting though, never really thought of that.

The race gearbox shifts slightly quicker, and you can run it as a 5-speed if you want to. I've tried both 5 and 6 gear setups, and I'm not convinced one is significantly quicker, I have just been able to put in a better lap with 5 gears.

I downgraded my gearbox primarily to get more points to use toward power.

[ELVA164]

The race gearbox shifts slightly quicker, and you can run it as a 5-speed if you want to. I've tried both 5 and 6 gear setups, and I'm not convinced one is significantly quicker, I have just been able to put in a better lap with 5 gears.

I downgraded my gearbox primarily to get more points to use toward power.

Gear ratios are extremely important, especially final drive. Number of gears depends mostly on the type of motor; Something with more grunt like the Volvo doesn't necessarily need 6 gears, whereas a more gutless motor like the S14 benefits from it. Shift times won't change much due to the robot-speed of the shifts. I've also gone both ways, but this week I used mostly 6-speeds. Allows tall gearing for the long straights without allowing the car to drop off the cam in the slower corners.

[mulletman]

Gear ratios are extremely important, especially final drive. Number of gears depends mostly on the type of motor; Something with more grunt like the Volvo doesn't necessarily need 6 gears, whereas a more gutless motor like the S14 benefits from it. Shift times won't change much due to the robot-speed of the shifts. I've also gone both ways, but this week I used mostly 6-speeds. Allows tall gearing for the long straights without allowing the car to drop off the cam in the slower corners.

I think my shift times are slow anyway... I use the semi-auto option for gears. I've tried the clutch thing, but I just suck too badly to be fast with it. I suspect I'm giving up a fair bit of time due to this.

[ELVA164]

I think my shift times are slow anyway... I use the semi-auto option for gears. I've tried the clutch thing, but I just suck too badly to be fast with it. I suspect I'm giving up a fair bit of time due to this.

You are. It's ridiculous, but the cars using the clutch are even faster in a straight line. Dunno if I said this already, but switch the clutch and handbrake buttons so when you shift, you just press X (downshift) or B (upshift) and A at the same time. It's basically the same process as before, but faster. You don't even technically need to release the throttle on upshifts, but maybe it's a bit faster that way. Rev matching on downshifts helps a little with stability, but again isn't 100% necessary.

[squidmaster]

Man, I have had absolutely no free time this week yet. I'll get on it asap

[mulletman]

Here the latest effort. The car can go much faster, but I always manage to screw it up somewhere. I put in a 51.2 where the only place it was 'dirty' was turn 1.. and also a 51.3 but ruined it on the exit of the last corner.

:50's are definitely possible, and perhaps :49's.



Blurry, but :51.757.

[spidertri]

Here's my time from the other day in case I don't get a chance to play tomorrow.

1:52.850
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[Nsquared97]

1:54.448

[squidmaster]

Didn't have much time but want to stay in the game. Here's my go.

[4x4_e30]

I counted 5 corners I didn't brake on, or 6 depending on what you consider a corner. 3 of them full throttle:

[ELVA164]

Felt a bit pressured, so I cracked and tried the Merc:

1:50.889

P.S. You guys using the M3 notice how eager it is to break away at the rear? Pretty annoying.