#BellLetsTalk #EndTheStigma #MentalHealth

[Navarone]

Depression isn't just being a little sad, it's chronic and overwhelming, and real people suffer from it. I agree there is an over abundance of medication flooding out from big pharma for just about any excuse people can make up, but blanketing the real sufferers with the "buck up little buddy" when they actually need to be chemically balanced is ignorant and insensitive. Would you treat a broken leg with "just walk it off, wimp!"?

Go after the pill mills, I agree, that's bullshit that they profit off the drug addiction of otherwise decent people. Go after shady doctors and crappy psychiatrists that hand it out like candy. Don't go after people actually suffering or that are on the spectrum, the people with actual depression or autism that are at risk of harming themselves or others.

I grew up in the 90's when ADHD was the trendy new affliction and they had me on all that shit when I was a kid, but I would have been better off with better parental and educational structure than being doped up on a cocktail of crap. They made all kinds of shitty mistakes raising kids throughout history. I was testing out of all my school work and getting bored and causing trouble, then I was medicated and I was sent to shitty continuation schools with ghetto thugs and gang bangers instead of gifted and talented classes where I could kick ass.

Getting yourself out of depression is like climbing a fucking mountain with no shoes, on glass, dragging a dead body. If someone legitimately needs a little help from medication and therapy and can be a healthy member of society then I'm all fucking for it.

[E30 Wagen]

^ I can't wait to read mrsleeve's incoherent response to that.

[Vincent Brick]

I don't even know what to say except that I wish America cared enough about those suffering from mental illness for such a major organization to try and turn things in a better direction here. Its hard enough for a middle-class American with a decent income to get access to mental health care, and virtually impossible if you are low income. In San Diego the only option for low income individuals is a for-profit feeder for county funds the pharmaceutical industry, they literally will not help you unless you take antidepressants/anti-psychotics, even if depression or psychosis is not what you are seeking help for. It is ridiculous and shameful, the only way you get help in America is if you can make someone else money. Yay extremist capitalism.

[BraveUlysses]

Sleeve, you're a fuckin idiot

[mrsleeve]

^
I guess I have mental condition that I should seek some kind of treatment for. I hear Effexor is a good one

Depression isn't just being a little sad, it's chronic and overwhelming, and real people suffer from it. I agree there is an over abundance of medication flooding out from big pharma for just about any excuse people can make up, but blanketing the real sufferers with the "buck up little buddy" when they actually need to be chemically balanced is ignorant and insensitive. Would you treat a broken leg with "just walk it off, wimp!"?

Go after the pill mills, I agree, that's bullshit that they profit off the drug addiction of otherwise decent people. Go after shady doctors and crappy psychiatrists that hand it out like candy. Don't go after people actually suffering or that are on the spectrum, the people with actual depression or autism that are at risk of harming themselves or others.

I grew up in the 90's when ADHD was the trendy new affliction and they had me on all that shit when I was a kid, but I would have been better off with better parental and educational structure than being doped up on a cocktail of crap. They made all kinds of shitty mistakes raising kids throughout history. I was testing out of all my school work and getting bored and causing trouble, then I was medicated and I was sent to shitty continuation schools with ghetto thugs and gang bangers instead of gifted and talented classes where I could kick ass.

Getting yourself out of depression is like climbing a fucking mountain with no shoes, on glass, dragging a dead body. If someone legitimately needs a little help from medication and therapy and can be a healthy member of society then I'm all fucking for it.

Think this kinda sums up what I just said. Some people need a little help, no issues with that. Nearly everyone will have a few bouts with it in their life time, just how life is, its a normal part living and being a complex organism with emotions. MOST people will be fine and get past it on their own, telling us that we cant get past our own issues with out a pill or talking to a professional is a disservice to both those that need the help the most and those that really can get by on their own.

incoherent ehhh. Sorry I guess I was just raised a bit old school, in that you handle your shit and take care of your self. You dont go to the doc for a hang nail or minor case of the shits, this is a waste of their time and resources that should be going to the guy that cut his finger off or has come down with a case of beaver fever, why then do we need a pill or "treatment" every time we feel a little "off" emotionally and call it "mental health"

[Mr. Burns]

Depression isn't just being a little sad, it's chronic and overwhelming, and real people suffer from it. I agree there is an over abundance of medication flooding out from big pharma for just about any excuse people can make up, but blanketing the real sufferers with the "buck up little buddy" when they actually need to be chemically balanced is ignorant and insensitive. Would you treat a broken leg with "just walk it off, wimp!"?

Go after the pill mills, I agree, that's bullshit that they profit off the drug addiction of otherwise decent people. Go after shady doctors and crappy psychiatrists that hand it out like candy. Don't go after people actually suffering or that are on the spectrum, the people with actual depression or autism that are at risk of harming themselves or others.

I grew up in the 90's when ADHD was the trendy new affliction and they had me on all that shit when I was a kid, but I would have been better off with better parental and educational structure than being doped up on a cocktail of crap. They made all kinds of shitty mistakes raising kids throughout history. I was testing out of all my school work and getting bored and causing trouble, then I was medicated and I was sent to shitty continuation schools with ghetto thugs and gang bangers instead of gifted and talented classes where I could kick ass.

Getting yourself out of depression is like climbing a fucking mountain with no shoes, on glass, dragging a dead body. If someone legitimately needs a little help from medication and therapy and can be a healthy member of society then I'm all fucking for it.

Thank you.

[Mr. Burns]

Sleeve, you haven't a fucking clue. I would not wish what I suffered through on my own worst enemy.

It's not about being sad.

Get yourself educated before you go on replying on something that's actually a north American epidemic at this rate

[Mr. Burns]

It's not about throwing pills at a problem.

They can help you and also save lives. Suicide rates are sky high nowadays.

Medication is not the sole solution, yet can be part of the equation for treatment.
Mindfulness, cbt, among many therapies got me out.
I pray to God I never relapse.

Sleeve shame on you.
This is about talking about the mental health issue that's rampant now. Not making light of it you clueless moron

[mrsleeve]

Fairly sure this is not a new phenomenon and it no more prevalent now than it was a 50, 100, or a 1000 years ago.


1st world problem/ epidemic have to convince the people that have some money ( you know middle class 1st world inhabitants) that there is something wrong with them to get them to part with more of their money for . One of the down falls of capitalism unfortunately


Oh yeah I have been though a bout of depression or 2 in my life, and I fully expect to have a couple of more in my life time...... its normal.

[Navadrone]

#BellLetsTalk #EndTheStigma #MentalHealth

I got temp banned but I wanted to respond to you. Here's the copy pasta I was about to hit send on.

If you feel you need it, go for it, maybe you do and don't know it? I'm not going to demonize or marginalize you for wanting help. I've had bouts where I wouldn't get out of bed for days at a time except to eat and shit. Nothing short of a house fire could get me out of the house. I muscled through because I have a strong aversion to medication, and out of pure male stubbornness I think I should be able to handle "oh teh noes" real life, without medication.

I do see a therapist and it's helping me with a lot of shit. Mainly communication, and luckily I'm on a sliding scale for income and don't pay anywhere near $200 a session. I lost my dad to MS when I was 15, I've never seen him walk, and since the disease is progressive I basically watched him slowly die for 15 years. That's pretty fucking rough for a little kid who wants to play catch and ride bikes and camp and fish and hunt with his father but can't, and telling him to man the fuck up is pretty insensitive.

Honestly I don't know how it would have turned out if someone just told me to man the fuck up, but the medication and school hopping turned out like shit, and knowing who I am now I may have told myself to stop being a little bitch. But then maybe I'd be an insensitive asshole to people the rest of my life.

I didn't exactly mean to tell you off in any abrasive asshole way, but I guess it came out that way. I agree with you that the system is being abused and people are improperly diagnosed. I also agree people need to man the fuck up quite a bit, as in general were getting weaker and weaker. But that's my bullshit opinion and if people need help then so be it, I hope it all works out for them!

[Mr. Burns]

incoherent ehhh. Sorry I guess I was just raised a bit old school, in that you handle your shit and take care of your self. You dont go to the doc for a hang nail or minor case of the shits, this is a waste of their time and resources that should be going to the guy that cut his finger off or has come down with a case of beaver fever, why then do we need a pill or "treatment" every time we feel a little "off" emotionally and call it "mental health"

This is a perfect example.
This is why the epidemic is rampant.

Friend, I "toughed it out" for years,decades even before I was about to call it quits.

I had/have and still have everything going right in my life. Beautiful loving wife 1.5 kids, excellent career and loving surroundings. Nothing was the matter.

I used to have to go cry alone over my lunch hour for nothing....I'm not talking about a few tears I'm talking about full on fucking shakes.
This started to happen for months on end.
I told nobody and blames my eyes on allergies.

Intrusive automatic thoughts, ocd behaviors and depression are also predominant in a ptsd disorder.

I tried to shake it off. I tried ignoring it.
Until my body physically couldn't anymore I had to jump out of my skin.

Insomnia, memory loss, sever weight loss and mental confusion are but the tip of the iceburg I needed to climb up not once but a few times until I went into remission.

It is an actual chemical imbalance within the blood brain barrier. It's a disease.

And yep pills can treat it. But not a solution.

My point is, having depression or a mental health illness doesn't make you weaker. It makes you human.

And reading up on Sleeve's "oldschool" self proclaimed ways of thinking really burden societies attempt in shaking the stigma.
If your had a child or children sleeve, and you recognize the symptoms don't take them lightly.

I'm a 255lbs bodybuilder and it affected me. It hit me dead on at 33 years, I've had it since my teens from what I can recollect.

Take heed in what your old schools ways may result in. The more you know.

[cale]

Wow burnsy you have been depressed before....... WHO THE FUCK HAS NOT been at some point in their life. Felling down in the dumps and sad for a while is a NORMAL part of everyone's life somewhere along the line. Suck it up nancy and deal with your shit move and on with . Sorry I dont think of depression as an "illness" (unless your trying to harm your self, or others). In need of lots of funding to "diagnose and treat" if you need to talk to a therapist to give you an atta-boy its not your fault, then so be it some people need a little professional help along the line, most reasonable people know when this may be necessary Though you maybe right there is a bit of a stigma attached to talking to a shrink twice a week for 200 bucks an hour .

I like how you mention anxiety and depression my wifes family is the poster family for anxious and depressed, social phobic people on the planet. Yet they seem to deal with it and hold good jobs, normal hobbies, and deal with their issues in their own ways, and have been upstanding productive members of society for 60+ years all with out the "help" modern medicine or copious amounts of booze or "other" substances. Yet you would advocate that these good quiet keep to them selves type of people need help and should be fixed even though they dont want or really need your help to get by in life.......

When you say mental illness treatment I dont think depression, A.D.D. and similar minor afflictions out there need to be dealt with in a fashion similar to my above statement. Those seem to be getting plenty of attention as is (at least here is the states ) when every 3rd kid is on Ritalin ect.. to make them sit still. General Practitioners hand out scrips for anti-depressants like a pezz dispenser to anyone that says I feel sad and depressed that comes into their office.....

When you say mental illness that needs more funding for diagnoses and treatment I am thinking Schizo, and other similar conditions that pose a danger to society in general or them selves... Which we dont have the facilities to house and handle them anymore since many were shuttered in the 50's-70's so those people have been left out in the cold for society and the prison system to deal with when they get in trouble...


Seems to me in the last few decades and especially the last 5-10 years there has been a HUGE push broaden the "definition" mental illness and get people onto treatment for it. I mean you see the adds on TV all the time, "feel sad here have your doc prescribe this little pill and all your troubles will go away"..... Is that what you all really want is for everyone to be on some kind of mood altering substance 24/7 for much of their lives for one thing or another..........

I was wrong, you truly have gone full retard.

There is a significant difference between feeling down, and having a legitimately diagnosed medical deficiency due to our bodies not behaving properly. We're talking our brains not functioning properly and chemicals in abnormal proportions. To simply claim these people are sad is the epitome of ignorant.

[quickervicar]

I was wrong, you truly have gone full retard.

There is a significant difference between feeling down, and having a legitimately diagnosed medical deficiency due to our bodies not behaving properly. We're talking our brains not functioning properly and chemicals in abnormal proportions. To simply claim these people are sad is the epitome of ignorant.

Agreed.

I have been down. Breakups, failures, financial losses, etc. I have been down for months at a time, but I've never been clinically depressed. I can't empathize on the hopelessness that is felt by those that are. I was fortunate I could pick myself up. I found outlets to regain some confidence and get back on my feet. (I happen to find physical activity to be very therapeutic.) If someone given me an "attaboy!" when I was down I probably would have dropped them. Thankfully, I am still a productive member of society.

I know people who are depressed. Sometimes it comes & goes, sometimes it is permanent. I hate throwing pills at any situation, but sometimes medication is the only cure. Therapy works for some but not for everyone.
Medication works for some but not others (it only works if you take it).

I do think that asylums are under-utilized. There are far too many people who are walking around who are a danger to themselves and society. They need help, but also need to be taken out of society while they get it. This is a potentially difficult proposition that is rife with potential abuse. I don't trust the state to do the job right. The VA system is a prime example. However, there are some private hospitals that do an outstanding job at inpatient treatment. There are also some that don't.

Bottom line: this is an extremely tricky health issue to diagnose & treat. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't try.

[DEV0 E30]

Fairly sure this is not a new phenomenon and it no more prevalent now than it was a 50, 100, or a 1000 years ago.


1st world problem/ epidemic have to convince the people that have some money ( you know middle class 1st world inhabitants) that there is something wrong with them to get them to part with more of their money for . One of the down falls of capitalism unfortunately


Oh yeah I have been though a bout of depression or 2 in my life, and I fully expect to have a couple of more in my life time...... its normal.

Sleeve, it's interesting because I'm sure we disagree on things, but generally I haven't had the need to respond because often times I stay out of P&R or I simply think, yeah I agree with you there. I feel this is something I think you're not really giving the time of day about... it is more prevalent then you are admitting.

Depression isn't the same for everyone, yes bouts of it is normal, but not everyone's brains or experiences are equal. Just as stated, it can be a chronic condition that some people struggle with their entire lives.

Autism is on the rise, as are other mental health issues. It's not all blatant lies and big pharma/doctors/culture to blame. Women are having children later in life, because yes we're living longer. This has shown to increase risks of autism and other issues. That wasn't an issue 50-100 years ago.

Men who witnessed things who are living longer are having serious issues. What about those with PTSD from any war? Any veteran from any war especially Vietnam all the way up to recent wars/conflicts. The suicide rates from vets alone are depressing. Many people who did not get help at VA centers, even just talking with a group said they'd be just another statistic, people close to me have told me this. (Obviously the VA scandal here disgusted me to the core.)

There are serious issues out there that I agree are not solved by simply taking drugs, but sometimes they do help. You can't group every mental health issue into a box. The human mind is and will always be affected by what it experiences. So many variables come into play things are very different than they were even 25 years ago.

[rcsoundn1]

Ahh yes the stigma is alive and well! Lets breach the topic of racism or male stereotypes on here! I would love to read the poorly educated, suppressed opinions just like these! These outdated ignorant views are what makes this country great! Just like when we celebrate Christopher Columbus day! Armed robbery, murder and burglary are what make American history rich with "culture."