The Lion and the dentist

[mrsleeve]

That specific lion. He had a tracking collar and was being studied by Oxford University. And he was a part of a game preserve/national park. I'm aware that you can pay to hunt and kill a lion in Africa legally, but that ain't the case here. Also, I'm hearing that the lion was lured out of the park, not just 'wandered off'. Big difference.

So he had a radio collar on, unless otherwise noted in the rule book, that may NOT mean hes is also "protected" everywhere he goes..... Here in the USA we have lots of tagged and collared animals that are part of a "study" that are lawfully taken by hunters and fishermen, its what you do when that happens that is more important.... And with the information we have, is the biggest crux of the issue here and more than likely form the sounds of it WHY the outfitter and he guide have their asses in a sling. I have not read anything that specifically states anything more than what you just said, he has radio collar and was in a study, that still does not mean he god status if he leaves the preserve. And again it might be hard to see that collar under the mane of a FUCKING LION so that leave lots of room for a legitimate mistake to occur

Next if baiting is a legal practice and is in the rule books for this kind of hunt, then what are they going to dothat also does NOT mean this particular Lion was "targeted" just means he smelled dinner and went looking I mean baiting that close to a preserve "may be legal" again with out the rule book we dont know that its kinda sketchy on the ethics side of things for me..... With the info I have seen this is more of an ethical Vs legal mind exercise with out the rule book in front of us....

As for "shooting it with a gun" how else do you propose ending the injured animals suffering any faster, and I know in some cases when it comes to hunting DANGEROUS game in some places in Africa there are provisions for just such occasions when arrow fails to do the job and you have a wounded DANGEROUS animal running lose.

[jalopi]

As for "shooting it with a gun" how else do you propose ending the injured animals suffering any faster, and I know in some cases when it comes to hunting DANGEROUS game in some places in Africa there are provisions for just such occasions when arrow fails to do the job and you have a wounded DANGEROUS animal running lose.

i meant you should start off with the biggest damn caliber you can get your hands on for a 600(?) pound animal, doesn't make sense to use the same bow you'd use for bambi on a giant cat

Oh the outrage........ Shows just how many of your have NEVER hunted for anything but your car keys or maybe poon..... Let alone a big game animal outside of your home state let alone your home country. This is one of the reasons I HATE Disney movies for kids with talking animals.... So much outrage over a fucking lion, but so little over PEOPLE getting whacked in every city in the world every day.

+1. i find it interesting how people assume that sport hunters are preying upon harmless animals - most of the sport guys go after animals that can very easily kill them. make a mistake or get caught off guard and you're another mauling statistic.

[E30 Wagen]

mrsleeve, I don't even fucking know where to begin with you...

[FredK]

mrsleeve, I don't even fucking know where to begin with you...

Lion King. Simba. Friendly. Cry. Feels.

[mrsleeve]

mrsleeve, I don't even fucking know where to begin with you...

start where ever you want, though I think your fellers might get a bit more tender if you do

[Vedubin01]

+1 Fuck this guy

Hurry up and buy a lotto ticket, this might be the only time we agree.

Sleeve, Im all for hunting and hunting big game. But I don't kill for sport. If this guy had that kind of money, Im sure he did his homework to make sure he was not going to get ripped off. It was Africa after all.

Bating it out of a reserve, is a no no. Just like baiting a field for deer or dove during season. There was no point in that kill other than to say he did it. Well he did it and now he feels the wrath of his decision.

[mrsleeve]

Hey all depends on the rules and regs for where you are, and what you are hunting some govt let you bait but it has to be with the guidelines set by the governing body

[Hooffenstein HD]

100% fuck this guy. Shooting creatures for zero reason doesn't make you cool. I bet he didn't even eat it.

[Vedubin01]

Hey all depends on the rules and regs for where you are, and what you are hunting some govt let you bait but it has to be with the guidelines set by the governing body

Again you would think the Dentist would have done due diligence before forking out $55k for an African Safari hunt. There was nothing morally or ethically right with this hunt. As we say, He played a stupid game, and he got his stupid prize. I hope he is enjoying dealing with his decision.

[mrsleeve]

Dub, like I said the whole thing is sketchy on the ethics side of things, but with out the regs who knows if it was was not legal. Yes I am sure he did do some research. So why would a dentist, a land holder, and a guide put every thing on the line to take a lion with a fucking tracking device on on him


Hoff
Just because you dont agree with his reasons does not mean there is NO reason ..... Its called wildlife management, just because you dont understand something, does not mean you get to be indigent about it and fuck someones life because you dont like what he did.....

Again if it was totally fucked up out side the regs then punishments need to be handed down, and those that are responsible for keeping shit on the up and up spent some time in jail over it already

[Hooffenstein HD]

Just because you dont agree with his reasons does not mean there is NO reason ..... Its called wildlife management, just because you dont understand something, does not mean you get to be indigent about it and fuck someones life because you dont like what he did.....

So, I can shoot your wife and call it population control, eh?

Wild life management is a pretty piss poor excuse when lions are endangered, facing extinction.

[Vedubin01]

Well if I put down the morals and ethics, and wanted to go on a hunt like that, I would have done more than my fair share of homework. Especially going to Africa of all places. Ever watch locked up Abroad?

What he did was illegal and unjustified how ever you want to look at it. He should be put before a court and judged by the law of the land. Then move on. Society has the right to judge him as he affected society. He will have to live with his decision.

[mrsleeve]

Lets see the reg book without it its all pure speculation on the legality of it all..... Since everything I have read has not stated if what they were doing was actually illegal (other than removing the collar and not reporting it)... Just becuase you cant bait deer in FL does not mean you can bait predators in Africa Again ethics are questionable at best and I am not the biggest fan to pure trophy hunting, but it serves its purpose in management of critter populations where needed...

Hofff how many large predator populations do you have where you live, Crocs and dingos kinda sum up your Large predators. Until you live where there are large populations of large critters roaming about your neighborhoods that can and will fuck your shit up STFU..... (you guys have the spiders and snakes I give ya that) I have plenty of such critters in my area. but Nothing like africa. And yes wildlife management is a REAL thing and is just as important as keeping habitat preserved, management does not necessarily equate to population control.

The grizzly in the US is a protected species, but is hunted in Alaska and many parts of Canada, and in my area should have a limited hunt. But remain protected in other areas, Same for wolves, the population in some areas is high enough for limited hunts. I dont know what the the African countries use as benchmarks to set up their tag and quota numbers but, they would not be issuing tags if there was not enough population to support small limited hunts.

Your righteous indignation is cute though,

Where were you when the OLD and decrepit non breeding black rhino was "hunted" a little while back??? That one was all but spray painted to make sure he was the one that was to be culled form the herd....

[Hooffenstein HD]

Sleeve, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here. You obviously know what you're talking about but not this situation with the lion.

I think we all understand the concept of a selected cull and population management of wildlife. We had a problem here where koalas were overbreeding and eating at an unsustainable rate, some had to be culled so the population didn't eat themselves extinct. How is selected culling/management for conservation purposes in anyway relevant to weak losers who shoot things for "sport" though? It's fun to kill shit, hey? See a psychiatrist. Go fight in the octagon and see how tough you really are.

There is a difference between wildlife management and some slack jawed 'merican yokel getting his kicks out of shooting shit. I think that's the reason we're all saying fuck this guy. He's a shit bloke. We're not saying no animals should be killed ever, call PETA etc.

[mrsleeve]

Some reports I saw this am are starting to quote rules and so on..... yeah guide seems to have allowed some rules violations.

I was in the camp of let's see the rules for this hunt before we all jump their collective asses in what we "think" the rules, regulations, and guidlines SHOULD say