Our troops respond to John Kerry's remarks

[Jand3rson]

Agreed Ryan, unfortunately you weren't afforded my inflection, thus they sarcasm passed right by.

I got it. :D

[CleanAzzE30z]

Exactly. I have never seen Tillman as a hero. If he is a hero than every single soldier that has ever served is a hero. Putting a higher value on his life just because he can play football is bullshit.

Maybe some no-name soldier who died on an afgani mountain was going to cure cancer with the college education he was serving to pay for.

wonderful stuff.


Mariano

[RCWells]

Im sure there are ones that feel each way. The "I know a guy who hates/loves bush" argument is worthless. Your little slice of the world is hardly representative of the whole population.

Agreed Ryan, unfortunately you weren't afforded my inflection, thus they sarcasm passed right by.

[Ryan Stewart]

Odd, a lot of the military guys that I have talked to love Bush, actually I've never met any military guy that didn't love Bush.

Im sure there are ones that feel each way. The "I know a guy who hates/loves bush" argument is worthless. Your little slice of the world is hardly representative of the whole population.

[RCWells]

Alot of the military guys that I have talked to say that they hate Bush.

Odd, a lot of the military guys that I have talked to love Bush, actually I've never met any military guy that didn't love Bush.

[Ryan Stewart]

they all put their lives at risk. singling tillman out as a hero is saying it is more heroic to risk wealth than life, and that is what is wrong with this country.

Exactly. I have never seen Tillman as a hero. If he is a hero than every single soldier that has ever served is a hero. Putting a higher value on his life just because he can play football is bullshit.

Maybe some no-name soldier who died on an afgani mountain was going to cure cancer with the college education he was serving to pay for.

A good friend I went to highschool with, who served in Iraq responded to this by saying " I don't give a fuck what Kerry said, He didn't send me to that fucking shithole, Bush did." another buddy that is there right now said about the same thing when I talked to him yesterday.

Alot of the military guys that I have talked to say that they hate Bush.

[assoutE12]

A good friend I went to highschool with, who served in Iraq responded to this by saying " I don't give a fuck what Kerry said, He didn't send me to that fucking shithole, Bush did." another buddy that is there right now said about the same thing when I talked to him yesterday.

[madjurgen]

you keep helping my argument. who cares what his 'financial and social situation' is. that shouldnt matter. does the fact that he had a very good 'financial and social situation' make his life more valuable? They ALL risk their lives, they ALL 'put all else aside'. im not saying tillman personifies wealth over life, im saying the media and america as a whole personifies this notion. i am in no way putting down tillman, just the way everyone is reacting to his situation. just because he gave up a lush life shouldnt mean he should get singled out as a hero over the poor 18yr old with no other option but to go into the army. they both risked/gave up their lives and should be treated as equals. not a 3hr big tv special about one and a flash of a name on a local news station for the other(if that).

[AdironRider]

No its not saying that, its saying that Tillman is one of the few whos willing to put all else aside and fight for something one believes in and for the freedoms we all enjoy. To say that tillman personifies a notion of risking wealth over life is off based, rather he personifies the values that most Americans should share if you ask me, not what is wrong with this country. Name another person similar to Tillmans financial and social situation that enlisted. I bet you cant.

[madjurgen]

they all put their lives at risk. singling tillman out as a hero is saying it is more heroic to risk wealth than life, and that is what is wrong with this country.

[GruntE30]

I guess you're right about him not being too much different than anyone that makes minimum wage going to fight the war, but I honestly dont think too many people in HIS position would have done what he did. I was with the Marine Corps Infantry and everyone knows that grunts hate EVERYONE that isnt a grunt, especially other branches but we had mad respect for that guy. On second thought, we didnt hate everyone. Close air support and Tanks = Grunts best friend!

[AdironRider]

Alright cool, cause I hate it when people criticize the troops for fighting for what they believe in and OUR safety. We owe them greatly, regarless of your thoughts on the war or the current administration.

While I agree, every soldier is a hero, Tillman did something that very few Americans would even think of. He, if he so chose, could have retired and played golf with his millions. Id like to see how many current troops if put in Tillmans shoes would make the same decision. Im pretty confident that 95% of them wouldnt have gone to war. That is what makes him a hero to me at least.

[Vedubin01]

Are you numb? Tillman is one of the most stand up individuals this country has seen in a long time. The guy had it made in the NFL and made millions every year. Yet he understood that his oppotunity to do so was based upon the freedoms this country gives him, and he felt that it was his duty to uphold those freedoms by enlisting. He gave up everything to fight for a cause he believed in, something I doubt youd ever have the stones or the morals to do. You can criticize the administration all you want, but dont go slandering the troops who fight for your freedom to bitch about something you have no idea about on an internet forum. You buddy, are a fucktard. Fuck that pissed me off.

[madjurgen]

lol, you completely misunderstood my point. what makes him different from any other person who volunteers for the military? does the guy who makes minimum wage sacrifice less because he wasnt a big star football player making millions. thats my point. that he's called a hero just cause he was 'famous' before. thousands of soldiers have died in the middle east, you dont see the news making a huge deal about them. why, cause they werent NFL players. and THAT is what pisses me off. I want a 3 hour TV special about each and every soldier who has died in combat or no TV specials at all. Who the FUCK cares if he gave up millions, he gave his life and that is all that matters and should be mentioned. His story should be no more important than any other soldiers, yet it is cause 'he gave up millions'. bullshit imo.

Are you numb? Tillman is one of the most stand up individuals this country has seen in a long time. The guy had it made in the NFL and made millions every year. Yet he understood that his oppotunity to do so was based upon the freedoms this country gives him, and he felt that it was his duty to uphold those freedoms by enlisting. He gave up everything to fight for a cause he believed in, something I doubt youd ever have the stones or the morals to do. You can criticize the administration all you want, but dont go slandering the troops who fight for your freedom to bitch about something you have no idea about on an internet forum. You buddy, are a fucktard. Fuck that pissed me off.