Creation

[Firestorm]

Why, because I know religion is for the weak?

Bingo!

[Kruzen]

are you referring to the chemistry stuff? I don't know much about abiogenesis, but I'll read about it. Many times people confuse evolution with abiogenesis and the universe creation theories, as the guy in the video did. You can believe a god created a universe, and still believe in evolution and all of it's evidence that is present right in front of your face on this planet.

Example: Look at a lobe finned fish (sarcopterygian), they are perfect evidence of a transitional stage of a structure in evolution. They have skeletal structures that are homologous to our own arms and legs as well as most of the terrestrial animals. They still function fine as a swimming device, yet they are the beginning of a hinged type appendage that could be used terrestrially. Not the typical stupid fish walking up on a beach, but think of the dense wetland environment of the devonian period, where they could get through or climb over the thick plants and alga. It was an advantage, either to avoid predators, or to catch prey previously not reachable. The transition to land would have been very gradually, possibly to breed in small ponds away from where other animals could not reach.http://www.mbscientific.com/forelimbs2.gif

There are lobe finned fish alive today. Most fish that you commonly know are spiny fin, without the intricate bones in the fin. Lungfish and coelocanths are living lobed fin fish. A lungfish for example, it has the ability to breath air via a modified swim bladder that most fish use for buoyancy, but in the lungfish it absorbs oxygen and removes wastes, just like primitive amphibians. I do not see how evolution is not obvious to people.

I'm not denying the existence of evolution, microevolution is perfectly observable in everyday life. There is simply not enough time to have our species, let alone a single hemoglobin amino acid sequence take place, and therefore the creation of life is necessary, not the periodic evolution.

[trashcop 80s 80s]

Ok, so I read a little bit about the 'Levinthal Paradox’ which states that since there are so many possible combinations of positions for a protein to orient itself that it would take an immense time for it to form a native state. But proteins DO orient themselves, and within milliseconds, so there really is no paradox, just not a full explanation as to how the protein orient themselves so quickly. There are other factors such as favorable energy states and biases against other states that make these folds happen so quickly.

You state that there is not enough time for a protein to fold, yet they do fold in less than a second usually. So, just because there is not a complete explaination (that I know of, I didn't read too much) you assume that god must be present to make these proteins find their native state? So god is creating billions of proteins every second on a petri dish of bacteria? So he is doing billions of billions of protein folds around the world since organisms are obviosly reproducing and growing. It seems less likely that god would have the time to do all of these folds, than the folds don't have time to orient themselves.

Since the beginning of history, man has turned to god to explain things he can't understand.
2000BC No rain, god is mad at us. 2000AD No rain, there is not enough H2O in its gaseous state in the atmosphere to collect around dust particles that gravity will then pull back to the earth
1350AD You have a plague b/c of sin and god is punishing you. 1900sAD you have an plague b/c of enterobacter yersinia

[Kruzen]

Ok, so I read a little bit about the 'Levinthal Paradox’ which states that since there are so many possible combinations of positions for a protein to orient itself that it would take an immense time for it to form a native state. But proteins DO orient themselves, and within milliseconds, so there really is no paradox, just not a full explanation as to how the protein orient themselves so quickly. There are other factors such as favorable energy states and biases against other states that make these folds happen so quickly.

You state that there is not enough time for a protein to fold, yet they do fold in less than a second usually. So, just because there is not a complete explaination (that I know of, I didn't read too much) you assume that god must be present to make these proteins find their native state? So god is creating billions of proteins every second on a petri dish of bacteria? So he is doing billions of billions of protein folds around the world since organisms are obviosly reproducing and growing. It seems less likely that god would have the time to do all of these folds, than the folds don't have time to orient themselves.

Since the beginning of history, man has turned to god to explain things he can't understand.
2000BC No rain, god is mad at us. 2000AD No rain, there is not enough H2O in its gaseous state in the atmosphere to collect around dust particles that gravity will then pull back to the earth
1350AD You have a plague b/c of sin and god is punishing you. 1900sAD you have an plague b/c of enterobacter yersinia

Not at all what i'm saying. I'm speaking of molecular chirality, which has to do with the 'handedness'. In all living systems, the building blocks of DNA/RNA exist ONLY in right handed form, and amino acids in nearly all proteins in living systems, with extraordinately rare exception, occur in left handed form.

There is a problem for materialists which is all soup-like experiements (such as that assumed for the RANDOM OCCURENCE of life generation via 'primordial soup' or 'unguided spark of evolution' produce a mixture of 50% levo/left and 50% right/dextro handed products. This is referred to as a racemic mixture. These mixtures are useless for spontenous generation of life.

Complex molecules like DNA and proteins are built in a building block style, one at a time in a growing chain. In a primordial soup made up of equal proportions (as noted earlier) of right/left handed blocks, there is an equal probability at each step of adding either a left or a right handed building block.

Its mathematically stupid to propose that only dextro nucleotides would be added time after time without a single levo nucleotide being added to an ever growing dna molecule. Sooner or later a left handed nucleotide will be added. The same occurs in proteins, every time an amino acid is added ot the growing chain of amino acids the chances are virtually certain that both right/left handed amino acids will be added

With unguided/undirected chemistry, a primordial ooze of right/left handed building blocks can only result in the production of DNA and proteins composed of a mixture of right/left handed building blocks. Unfortunately for a cell to function properly, it is necessary for it to contain the correct 3D structure in its DNA and proteins.

The correct 3d structure is dependant upon proteins built from a pure mixture of left-handed amino acids and DNA built from right handed nucleotides.

If even one nucleotide or amino acid with the incorrect Chirality is inserted into a DNA or protein molecule, the 3d structure will be destroyed and it will cease to function normally.

This gives evidence that life can only come from pre-existing life, and cannot form randomly without statistically killing itself off.

[trashcop 80s 80s]

This gives evidence that life can only come from pre-existing life, and cannot form randomly without statistically killing itself off.

So god could have started the process and then let evolution take place to keep us evolution advocates happy. I do not deny the existance of god, it is just that none of our man made religions have true knowledge of the complexity of god and our universe.

[chucko]

This is interesting, but can someone explain to me why men have nipples? Why do we have an appendix? Why does the left side of my body almost exactly look like the right side of my body? Why do we say we're putting on a pair of pants when it's just 1 piece of clothing? Why, why , why?