VT Plot Thickens!

[Tree18is]

dam

i really wish he wouldn't of killed himself so some parent could of taken revenge on his ass like In the movie Ghosts of Mississippi.
i dont have much to say, but i hope he burns in hell. And when, if ever im a parent I will definitely educate my kids on this kind of stuff.

[PiercedE30]

There will be lessons learned from this. But to blame guns or university policy is taking your eye off the ball. On the flip side of the gun arguement, if VT weren't a "gun free zone" and a professor or student in one of those classrooms had been armed, would the outcome have changed? You wont see this argument being brougt up by the mainstream media. It's too inconvenient. Also, do you think that if Cho couldn't have been able to buy a legal weapon, it would have stopped his plans? It's all in the motivation.

Ed

Definitely agree with this point. I think that if a student/professor had been legally able to carry, then I believe that this could have been either avoided or atleast the results wouldn't have been as bad.

[s0urce]

oh this one is a no brainer. According to Dr. Phil it is video games!

http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/04/16/dr-phil-suggests-video-games-to-blame-for-virginia-tech-shootings/

[Julien]

So your solution is more guns, right? I mean, is it not bruttally obvious that you are defending a right to carry a small instrument whose intent is to kill; all the while crying when someone uses one for its intedend purpose?


Guns don't belong in society.

[ak96ss]

So your solution is more guns, right? I mean, is it not bruttally obvious that you are defending a right to carry a small instrument whose intent is to kill; all the while crying when someone uses one for its intedend purpose?


Guns don't belong in society.

Wait, let me get this straight.

Only the criminals should have guns?

I should call 911 and wait for a response rather than defending myself?

Are you friggin' serious?

[Il Duce]

Guns don't belong in society.

They do now that they're everywhere- It's the same "catch-22" with Nuclear Weapons... "Protect yourself so that if the other guy has one you're safe" Sigh.... An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind.


I think I'm gonna go buy a glock.


And that's all I have to say about that. lol.

[trent]

So your solution is more guns, right? I mean, is it not bruttally obvious that you are defending a right to carry a small instrument whose intent is to kill; all the while crying when someone uses one for its intedend purpose?


Guns don't belong in society.

I also disagree. I will be going out and arming up in the next few weeks. He could have been easily stopped before taking more lives.

I actually agree with Kevin, Il Duce, and his Catch22 reference. In the end, you have to fight fire with fire.

[ed94r]

So your solution is more guns, right? I mean, is it not bruttally obvious that you are defending a right to carry a small instrument whose intent is to kill; all the while crying when someone uses one for its intedend purpose?


Guns don't belong in society.

What is your solution then? Where do you start? When do you stop?

It's easy to take a position, especially when the whole picture isn't clear.

Ed

[s0urce]

I also disagree. I will be going out and arming up in the next few weeks. He could have been easily stopped before taking more lives.

I actually agree with Kevin, Il Duce, and his Catch22 reference. In the end, you have to fight fire with fire.

Ditto.

And really guys, we're not going to find a gun-control solution. If it were that easy, it would already be in use. Pointless topic for r3v.

[JasonC]

I also disagree. I will be going out and arming up in the next few weeks. He could have been easily stopped before taking more lives.

I actually agree with Kevin, Il Duce, and his Catch22 reference. In the end, you have to fight fire with fire.

+1... But i don't need to get anymore guns, i have enuff allready.

[JGood]

You want to give teachers guns?

The same teachers that have sex with students? If they are anything like teachers/professors that I had in grade school and college, I will home school my kids so they don't get blown away by one of them fucking idiots. One of my friends got pushed around by a teacher, what if that teacher had a gun?

I'm not sure there is any easy way out. Our society has developed and evolved to the point it's at now, and I don't see a way out that won't hurt a lot of people in some way. I'm not sure why everyone critiques the situation and says "well if they did things this way it wouldn't happen" and shit like that.

There's no way that situation could have been prevented reasonably. He would have taken greater measures to succeed if the school would have taken greater measures to prevent. His motivation was high, and no method of operation that could be realistically utilized by that school could stop him.

Yeah you can try to plan for things like this, but remember, it's easy to develop a plan for a situation after it happens. Do you realize how many variables there are in emergency situations? Do you realize what it would take to have a plan of action for almost every possible scenario? That's like wearing a helmet and five point harness in your minivan (which you put a roll cage in) to drive down to the grocery store. I do believe the police acted accordingly by locking down the school and other schools in case a larger scale attack was in process, but beyond that there isn't much to do, and wasn't much to plan for.

As I said earlier, this world is fucked. Get used to it.

[euroshark]

a college has an admissions process which is supposed to be a filter.

College admissions processes aren't gonna filter out crazy people, they filter out stupid and lazy people. You apply to a college and they check your ACT / SAT scores, GPA, and uh... shit, that's about it! I'm sure there may be a few more things if you are living on campus (I never did, so forgive me), but the most they are going to probe for is to make sure you really do live in the state and whatnot for tuition purposes. I have NEVER ever ever seen any sort of mental health questionnaire or anything of the like on a college application or anywhere in the registration process.

In any case, the school shoulda been shut down immediately after the crime was reported, to keep it open is asking for trouble.

[gazellebeigem3]

It's not the *means* of the murders that is important. It's the motivation. This guy could have killed people with a box cutter (where have we seen that before?).

If a person who is undeniably mentally insane on every level and by any measurement, is violent and has violent plans, He will be almost impossible to stop unless he is totally and securely isolated. If a person has no regard for their OWN life, They surely have no regard for any other. There are thousands of mentally unstable people in this country. Should we round them up? Where are we gonna put them? Will the liberals and the ACLU step aside and let this happen?

College campuses are supposed to be a place where free/open thinking is encouraged. They are not prisons, nor are they mental evaluation facilities. My college application did not include a mental evaluation or assesment. A locked down, metal detector'd, body searched place is not a free thinking place.

There will be lessons learned from this. But to blame guns or university policy is taking your eye off the ball. On the flip side of the gun arguement, if VT weren't a "gun free zone" and a professor or student in one of those classrooms had been armed, would the outcome have changed? You wont see this argument being brougt up by the mainstream media. It's too inconvenient. Also, do you think that if Cho couldn't have been able to buy a legal weapon, it would have stopped his plans? It's all in the motivation.

Ed

exactly.




Joo, you are a cheese eatin' surrender monkey. go back to france and never come back. [or post here for that matter]

[Jscotty]

Psychopath #1 says, "I'm feeling really crazy today. Let's shoot up a college classroom."

Psychopath #2 says, "We can't do that! Guns are illegal!"

Psychopath #1 say, "Oh yeah, I forgot. Lets go play bingo."

Surely we would like to think that a weapon such as a gun is not necessary in our society but unfortunately it is. In the infinate wisdom of Officer Alonzo Harris he once said, "In order to protect the sheep, you have to catch the wolf. And it takes a wolf in order to catch a wolf."

Granted, anyone who has been affected by a gun crime wishes that guns didn't exist. (understandibly so) However, making guns illegal will not prevent criminals from having them. It only enables criminals to better use their guns while unopposed by law abiding citizens. Getting guns out of the hands of the criminals is impossible in a free society where the government does not monitor every aspect of your life. Some 15 to 20 years ago we had Ross Perot who figured that we could simply confiscate every gun in America by doing a house-to-house search. It might work if there was no form of corruption or dishonesty amongst the people doing the confiscation. Even the TSA agents at the airport keep some of the stuff that they confiscate. It makes me wonder if they purposely confiscate stuff that is legal to take on the plane just so that they can "legally" steal it.

Anyhow, not to get off the topic here, guns were used to establish America and guns will always be in America. Many innocent people had to get killed so that we can enjoy the life we live in America and since then, killing people with guns has been the method of progress. I cannot recall a single advancement in our society that did not come as a result of someone getting shot with a gun. Even the astronauts carry a gun in case one of crew members decides to turn on the rest of the group. When you are on the shuttle with 6 other people, you will be less likely to cause trouble knowing that they are all armed.

[smonkbmw]

i feel sorry for the families the most. because of the way this country is they have to see the killer of their loved ones everywhere they go. his face is all over the news, the internet, papers. it is a tragedy what happened, but why over analyze the facts? why glamorize the man? its just like rubbing salt in the wounds of the people involved.......drop it, the guy was a nutbag, let it rest, let the families recover. if anything show them in the media, show their life stories....i know i know, wishful thinking. itll never happen.