HDTV Set up Question.. Please..

[jflip2002]

That site I put as a link has them for $75 so you still win with a $1100 difference !!! just click buy

I made a print out, and Im gonna go see if I can get one for free from best buy. Or at least at their cost :up: since they said the remote didnt matter at all, it was just simply for convenience, rather than for function. Yes, I am a cheap ass.

[atomic]

I made a print out, and Im gonna go see if I can get one for free from best buy. Or at least at their cost :up: since they said the remote didnt matter at all, it was just simply for convenience, rather than for function. Yes, I am a cheap ass.

I do not blame you on that route tooo........ It is a bit more than function at least it is on my toshiba hd tv !!

[James Crivellone]

Because HDMI sucks ass. Go component and run your other audio and what-not separately.

HDMI is the cable-equivalent of TV/DVD/VCR combo units. A whole bunch of shit crammed into one tiny space to try and do everything at once.

Ummmm wha? While component is fine, HDMI is much better and more much capable, much less signal loss, ability to carry PCM uncompressed audio without the need for separate cables, handles 1080P much better, and also supports other techs such as TrueHD.

I'm moving everything to HDMI, and getting rid of component, the image quality is much better.

And then we have the HDCP issue, which lets see component handle that! Especially as component is not being seen as the final connectivity option for 1080P.

And then we have Displayport, which is going to replace DVI..

[Jand3rson]

I guess I wasn't totally clear. Acutally, HDMI uses a twisted cable configuration as opposed to coaxial cable, which has MORE risk of signal degradation. The actual physical design of coaxial cable is meant to have less impedance issues. To be honest, it doesn't really matter which one you use, one is better for suited for some tasks than others. Your DVD player might look great on HDMI cables, but your cable or sat picture might look bad, and vice versa. My preference (and that of our shop) is to use component, since the mini-coax used in component cabls does carry less risk of signal loss (especially over long distances). We run a kind of cable in homes that is a bundle of 5 mini-coax cables, and those runs can sometimes be hundreds of feet, and HDMI just can't sustain as good of image quality over distances that far.

[Ryan Stewart]

Twisted cable has considerably less degradation when you consider a high bandwidth digital signal due to NEXT and FEXT. Those are huge concerns when regarding multiple cables running next to eachother (although not quite as bad in short lengths).

Coax is severly limited and its only saving grace is the large amount of shielding on it. Not to mention most audio/video cables arent actually co-axial, like Monster Cable. Its typically stranded copper, in a twist. Analog sucks BTW.

Whomever has been teaching you about electronics should go to school.

[europeanplates]

Bottom line is HDMI is not 100% ready for prime time. There are three rev's for the HDMI and not all brands work together. I have a full HD projector and have both HDMI and Component going to it and the difference is nill. Also most high end systems if any need the Audio source anyway.

Just go component but upgrade your directv box first.

Tyler

[Jand3rson]

Twisted cable has considerably less degradation when you consider a high bandwidth digital signal due to NEXT and FEXT. Those are huge concerns when regarding multiple cables running next to eachother (although not quite as bad in short lengths).

Yes, I agree, IF your signal is 100% high bandwidth digital signal. But as I said in another thread, a good 80% of what you're watching ISN'T in HD. DirectTV HD does have a lot of HD content, but it still isn't HD. And if you have HD cable, like a DVR (like I have), it's considerably less. People have this notion in their heads that when they buy a 1080p HDTV, suddenly everything they watch is going to be in sparkling, crystal clear high definition at 1080p.

There are 2 problems with that. First, 75% of the people that buy a 1080p HDTV don't even know what 1080p MEANS. Second, the HDTV industry has this HORRIBLE habit of making people think that their TVs are going to (god I hate this word) upconvert whatever signal they're watching to 1080p. That can't be done. The only way you're going to get television in hi-def is if the show you are watching was shot in hi-def. Period.

All these HD channels that DirectTV claims they have (at least a good portion of them) are nothing but upconverted media, digitally enhanced to look better. There are actually VERY FEW channels that actually have true HD content. Discovery being one of them, and a few others. So the point is for the time being, the difference between HDMI and component is just about nil.

[europeanplates]

Josh,

Well put!!

Tyler

[jflip2002]

ESPN HD And Madden in HD FTMFW

The 2 single reasons why I bought the TV. And FWIW, that remote was wrong, and the one for my TV is only $30. I guess the TV is a 62" TV, not 65"

[europeanplates]

Twisted cable has considerably less degradation when you consider a high bandwidth digital signal due to NEXT and FEXT. Those are huge concerns when regarding multiple cables running next to eachother (although not quite as bad in short lengths).

Coax is severly limited and its only saving grace is the large amount of shielding on it. Not to mention most audio/video cables arent actually co-axial, like Monster Cable. Its typically stranded copper, in a twist. Analog sucks BTW.

Whomever has been teaching you about electronics should go to school.

Mini Coax and or coax cable in general is used by most of the studio when shooting HD, so how can you say it is severally limited. Also Monster cable is junk.

Tyler

[Jand3rson]

And beyond that, I'm not talking about the shit peice of coax cable that comes with your TV when you bought it. I'm talking high-end, swept to 3 ghz coax, and mini-coax that is used in component cables. Coax cable does more than you think, Ryan.

And most of the stuff we use isn't your run-of-the-mill stranded copper cable. And Tyler is right, Monster cable is shit. You want real high-end stuff, you go with what we use, which is Ultralink.

http://www.ultralinkcables.com/#/home/

[europeanplates]

Josh you nailed it,

We use ultralink, tributaries or Kimber on the higher end jobs. I get a kick when people ask me how much my theater cost and what it would cost if I where to do it on the books. Hell to wire a quality theater is big bucks.

Tyler

[Jand3rson]

Josh you nailed it,

We use ultralink, tributaries or Kimber on the higher end jobs. I get a kick when people ask me how much my theater cost and what it would cost if I where to do it on the books. Hell to wire a quality theater is big bucks.

Tyler

Exactly. Most people that I know (that aren't buying super-expensive home theater stuff) are fucking SHOCKED when I tell them that a 3 meter Ultralink component cable costs about $120. :D

We also use ProConnect and Belden (for our multimedia bundled wires).

But seriously, this argument could go on for DAYS. It really doesn't matter which you use, component or HDMI. At this point, component cables are going to be cheaper, and give just as good of a signal.

[StereoInstaller1]

Damn...leave it to R3V to take a question of "How the fuck do I hook up my new TV?" and turn it into a 3 page cablebash.

You guys are all fucked in the head. That is OK, so am I.

It is this easy: Long run OR old electronics (we gotta switch this fucking signal too, right?) go component. HDMI IS better, but do you really care to see that last .03% of Astroglide glopped over Courtney Cummz asscheek? (Anal Blondes From Mars FTMFW!)

Short run (under 60 feet) go HDMI IF you have a modern reciever, modern DVD/PS/cable/sat box AND are willing to do all of your switching at the reciever...otherwise, wait for HDMI to mature a bit more.

35 years after the composite cable hit the streets we still have fucktards buying RF adapters to connect their DVDs up to their TV that HAS THE CORRECT INPUT...gotta love this shit.

So, now that is out there, I sell HDMI cables, cheap. Good shit, cheap.

That is my fucking motto.

If you really believe that there is a HUGE difference in conductivity for a digital signal, you are seriously deluded. Normal humans cannot see any more butthair on Jenna Hazes asshole with high-dollar SuperHype HDMI vs the stuff I carry...plus, get the fuck over it, all of them are made in China anyway!

If any of you guys want to go HDMI, call me: 541-747-1171

/rant
Luke

[Jscotty]

Acutally, HDMI uses a twisted cable configuration as opposed to coaxial cable, which has MORE risk of signal degradation.

Actually signal interference is the issue. Not degradation. When you are running a digital signal, there is no degradation in the quality of the picture. You either get the signal or your don't whereas in an analog connection, there can be varying degrees of signal quality.