Michael Moore :SiCKO

[asubimmer]

this is for the liberals...

[speedhop]

this is for the liberals...

[LINUS]

Just found this while reading the news tonight - Japan sounds like another country on socialized medicine with the same problems of $$$ support as what France will be seeing in years to come.

If France is smart, they'll use Japan either as a role model or a snapshot of 'what not to do', depending on how policy changes in Japan play out.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7101663.stm

[Midnight Sun]

this is for the liberals...

At least he is safe from the snake headed aliens. Stop being so ignorant.

[Turf1600]

Hopefully you guys value my input here -

I work at the largest non profit hospital branch in the US (Memorial Hermann). I live and breath health insurance every day. I can tell you for a fact - any health insurance issues are due to either a lack of education or very poor decision making and or a lack of foresight. The only people that get fucked with health insurance are the middle class - who seem to be wholly uneducated when it comes to insurance. What it comes down to is all these dumb asses who live paycheck to paycheck ditch their insurance so their checks are larger and then whine and cry when they get hepatitis and are uninsurable. Boo hoo. If you are well prepared healthcare will never be a financial disaster - but a minor inconvenience. Believe me when I say I've seen both sides - i went 20 years without insurance and I'm currently watching my parents suffer because of their poor decision making. I see it every day at work too. Poor people FYI get medicaid - which pays 100%. The elderly get medicare - which pays 80% if not more in some cases. Children and young parents also get medicaid quite often - which also pays 100% - but all these tools drive financed cars and are up to their retarded fucking faces in credit card debt. It pisses me off royally. Don't even get me started in illegals either.

[Turf1600]

PS if you have any insurance related questions fire away.

[blunttech]

PS if you have any insurance related questions fire away.

i dont know what you guys have down there but up here in gods country we have MNcare which is basically welfare. rather than raise taxes to pay for it they figured theyd shift the responsibility to doctors so my wife has to pay 4% of her income to the state to pay for this shit. guess who that gets passed along to in a 4% fee increase? more government bullshit ways to indirectly raise taxes. welfare needs to end. ive collected unemployment in my 20's once but other than that ive never been on any assistance plan. and yet we as a nation spend bazillions on illegals healthcare. but hey, i can enjoy a nice salad because of it

[Turf1600]

Down here people on welfare just have medicaid. They don't have to pay a fucking dime - which sucks - but when it comes to transplant time guess who's at the bottom of the list?

Wanna know the reason? Here's an example.

Cost of a PET CT: $5,400

United healthcare reimbursment - $4,100

Aetna Reimbursment - $3,500

Medicare and medicaid reimbursment - $1500

I don't think we even break even on these procedures. Just the radioactive isotope for a pet ct costs about as much as medicare and medicaid pays. So, not only is your wife losing money on these people - so is the hospital. All of the lazy worthless assholes down here who have medicaid call the ambulance every time they have a tummy ache and it's free. Talk about a waste of resources.

[Ray McCooney]

Just found this while reading the news tonight - Japan sounds like another country on socialized medicine with the same problems of $$$ support as what France will be seeing in years to come.

If France is smart, they'll use Japan either as a role model or a snapshot of 'what not to do', depending on how policy changes in Japan play out.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7101663.stm

I may be a bit ignorant to the French population plight as of this moment and or possibly in the future, but Japan I am quite familiar with as I have traveled there numerous times and am associated with many Japanese individuals. I might have also stayed at a Holiday Inn last night. ;)

The source of the Japanese health care problem is attributed to population demographics, the politics is unfortunately a case of typical mis-management derived from socialized gov't policy. The Japanese population is currently experiencing a "funnel" or "reverse pyramid" population growth period. Whereas the clear majority of the population is in the retirement/near retirement age. I believe that the figure was that less than one child per household was being born on the average. This low birth rate is mainly attributed to societal pressure of individual success and incorporation into the wealth of the country as a whole by delaying and possibly forgoing family building/child rearing.

A more fundamental approach to the Japanese problem would be to relax their immigration policies, which are tighter than a dolphin's asshole, thus allowing a more noticeable flow of immigrants to legally enter the country and fill positions that would have been normally filled had the younger population been produced. Reduction of benefits, increase of premiums, etc. is merely a matter of politics, which as one might expect, only give the impression that change is being made without it actually occurring.

I don't know how this exactly applies to the French predicament as their situation graphically, historically, etc. would imaginably be different than that of the "alleged" land of the rising sun (New Zealander's will understand this).

[Ray McCooney]

Down here people on welfare just have medicaid. They don't have to pay a fucking dime - which sucks - but when it comes to transplant time guess who's at the bottom of the list?

Wanna know the reason? Here's an example.

Cost of a PET CT: $5,400

United healthcare reimbursment - $4,100

Aetna Reimbursment - $3,500

Medicare and medicaid reimbursment - $1500

I don't think we even break even on these procedures. Just the radioactive isotope for a pet ct costs about as much as medicare and medicaid pays. So, not only is your wife losing money on these people - so is the hospital. All of the lazy worthless assholes down here who have medicaid call the ambulance every time they have a tummy ache and it's free. Talk about a waste of resources.

+1 to this. We experience something similar at my friend's Dental office that I have been interning at over the past three years, albeit on a smaller scale.

Medical patients come in, receive treatment, little if nothing comes in return though on the monetary receiving end. The patient pays nothing, and we have to swallow quite a bit of unpaid production. The concept of negative production never seems to click in the minds of those of whom demand that health care be universal and a right, which in my mind is just as much a right as driving a car. People tend to confuse Right with Privilege. It is not uncommon for us to receive a third or less when it comes time for Medical to repay us for services, the same can almost be said for most HMO's as well. Hell, it's even difficult to receive complete repayment by PPO's let alone gov't related insurance channels.

I guess the point that I am tying to relate (I know I'm lengthy) is that there is a pervasive sense of entitlement in our society today. It truly is a sad scenario, especially giving respect to the context of which this nation and it's institutions were formed. Government only impedes the progress of our health care by degrading the quality of service offered, indirectly increasing the cost of it's services, and ultimately inhibiting new developments/advancements by course of bureaucratic mandates.

By all means, no one has to believe me on this as this is my opinion based upon my personal experiences. So since I recognize that everything presented thus far has been opinion I'll offer one more. Should you seek something that is offered elsewhere, perhaps you may be bettered suited in going elsewhere. Emigration from this great country is quite simple, especially considering there are millions in the world that would be quite willing to take your place, something of which they would normally seek to achieve under the threat of pain or death. Rant off.

[Funkmasta]

His videos do raise valid questions, but, they are exaggerated documentaries that feed on emotions of the weak.

[e30 gangsta]

lmao @ that pic

[Lodsin]

I don't know about the rest of you but I am a firm believer in Evolution and natural selection. If someone is weak and cant hold a job or stop an addiction then it shouldn't be our problems. It is of course different if you see someone struggling to get by and they ARE trying on their own compared to someone begging for change so they can go get their fix of whatever it is they choose.

[gstuning]

I don't know about the rest of you but I am a firm believer in Evolution and natural selection. If someone is weak and cant hold a job or stop an addiction then it shouldn't be our problems. It is of course different if you see someone struggling to get by and they ARE trying on their own compared to someone begging for change so they can go get their fix of whatever it is they choose.

I hate the fact that I feel in a similar way.

I´ve learned on my own that you always have a choice. Always on everything you do.
Even the things you think that you don´t.
Today people don´t want to take any responsibility in their choices and demand that somebody else must be to blame and pick up the tap.

You can choose not to pay your phone bill,
You can choose not to dress your children in warm clothing when it´s cold out
You can choose to drive over people on purpose in traffic
You can choose to do drugs

I believe that people should choose, but also take the responsibility of their actions.
I once had a discussion with a single young mom, I was asking her if she knew that she had a choice in NOT feeding, clothing and providing for her children. Her response was that she would never do anything like that ever, It took a while for me to get her to understand it´s all about choice. Of course she doesnt choose any of those things, but the choices are there. It again reflects in your everyday lives.

When you realize that your future wellbeing is YOUR CHOICE and not something that might and might not happen on it´s own , your aspect on things will change.

Yea I know it´s long and ranty.

[aaron325ix]

Michael Moore is a fat dumb ass. Check out the Larry King interview with him and Dr. Sanjay Gupta of CNN on youtube. Moore just "cherry picks" info from vairous reports and putsit all together to prove is point of view. He's just a kneiving fat bastard IMO. Having said that we do need an improvement on our health care, so I guess I can applaude him for bringing it to more peoples attention.