Obama Campaign Theatrics --- woman faints @ rallies a scam?

[uofom3]

are you for fucking real? this is r3v OT hello! this the home of pointless banter. im just playing along, don't get your panties in a bunch. i'm not counter arguing, because i don't see the point. they are all the same and frankly after bush the idiot, anyone will be better.

I love it when people make my points for me.

[uofom3]

Nah - I just had Fox Propoganada Channel on a little while ago and Hemmer and Chris Wallace were playing McCain's tune big time. "We have to cover it, because its out there . . ." was the quote at one point. They kept flashing on the ticker below "HUCKABEE: McCAIN IS A DECENT AND HONORABLE MAN".

All you guys just out of or still in College - keep it up with your talking points. You have yet to have much experience in the market and the real world.

You really think there is that big of a difference between McCain and Obama? Other than the war issue (granted that is the big issue), I doubt we would see much different one way or the other from a McCain or Obama administration.

And FWIW, I could care less if McCain put the wood to this lobbyist, unless it truly influenced his decision on what causes to champion. From what I understand, he did nothing more than write a couple of letters to the FCC saying they needed to make a decision on something for one of her clients - he did not attempt to suggest what decision the FCC should make, just that they needed to get off their ass and make a decison. If he fucked her, its no more relevent than what Clinton did with Lewinsky.

Its a non-story to me - that is unless they can find where he was playing favorites for the clients of the supposed paramour.

Dave, C'mon now....

- We all know Fox News is somewhat right biased. It's SUPER right compared to everything else. Anything else out there that is right of center is WAY right, like so right that I can't read it and stand by all of the points made.

- You're right about college, when people get out they will stop being idealistic and become more conservative. You make it sound like none of us have ever had a pay check cut, or worked for the "man". Also - a college student who just got "learn-ed" in economics probably knows more about how it works than 95% of the populous of this country. Nice thing about economics at the fundamental levels (not higher, theoretical stuff) is that it really is the way it works. It's not really up for debate as things like supply and demand, impacts on GDP, Net Exports, etc. are really easily understood and generally accepted as true (from a non-politically biased perspective). I just don't think that argument holds water I guess - that would be like saying the guy who dropped out of hs and started working a job knows more about economic structure by virtue of working for 40 years than someone schooled in the disciline (excluding him educating himself). Everytime you get your paycheck, you probably wish you didn't loose so much of it - no one is above that.

- Shit yes there is a difference. BUT, will it actually change anything in your life at the micro level? No. You can't honestly tell me that your life feels different between Clinton/Bush1/Bush2. The reality is that changes made at the macro level are spread out over 350 million people (i think that's about right for the pop.) and you really may not feel the drastic impact. You might feel more with Bush given that we had 9/11, Katrina, etc... This election, more than any other, I feel will bring about a change that we can really feel and lives will actually be different - and not ultimately for the better.

- I think it speaks to a persons integrity... but that's about it. It's his business, but you can't be liberal and point the finger now after Clinton got falaced in white house (I'm not saying you are, but some will). We can call it even

- It would be massively hypocritical and a career ender if his meddlings resulted in something that was skewed to a point of questionable legality.

[kishg]

"I'd be impressed if he still had some lead in the pencil"

Kishg - I appreciate the points you have made but you really havn't offer anything that is substantiated.

Obviously I encourage you to post and appreciate the differing opinion, but you're pretty much just dropping cliche' taglines here... Not offering counter arguments. Substantiate stuff to help facilitate a better discussion and more understanding.

are you for fucking real? this is r3v OT hello! this the home of pointless banter. im just playing along, don't get your panties in a bunch. i'm not counter arguing, because i don't see the point. they are all the same and frankly after bush the idiot, anyone will be better.

[uofom3]

plan's are over-rated. :) dubya survived 8yrs and he has no fucking clue how to even tie his own shoe-laces

You wrote this while I was typing my previous post - this is exactly what I'm talking about.

[uofom3]

agree. who cares? at his age, i'd be impressed if he did her :)

"I'd be impressed if he still had some lead in the pencil"

Kishg - I appreciate the points you have made but you really havn't offer anything that is substantiated.

Obviously I encourage you to post and appreciate the differing opinion, but you're pretty much just dropping cliche' taglines here... Not offering counter arguments. Substantiate stuff to help facilitate a better discussion and more understanding.

[kishg]

Could you enlighten us? My experiance has nothing to do with it. Tell us where we are wrong. Simple logic and a day it economics class is all you need to understand that Obama's plan is a joke.

plan's are over-rated. :) dubya survived 8yrs and he has no fucking clue how to even tie his own shoe-laces

[DarkWing6]

All you guys just out of or still in College - keep it up with your talking points. You have yet to have much experience in the market and the real world.

Could you enlighten us? My experiance has nothing to do with it. Tell us where we are wrong. Simple logic and a day it economics class is all you need to understand that Obama's plan is a joke.

[kishg]

You really think there is that big of a difference between McCain and Obama? Other than the war issue (granted that is the big issue), I doubt we would see much different one way or the other from a McCain or Obama administration.

And FWIW, I could care less if McCain put the wood to this lobbyist, unless it truly influenced his decision on what causes to champion. From what I understand, he did nothing more than write a couple of letters to the FCC saying they needed to make a decision on something for one of her clients - he did not attempt to suggest what decision the FCC should make, just that they needed to get off their ass and make a decison. If he fucked her, its no more relevent than what Clinton did with Lewinsky.

Its a non-story to me - that is unless they can find where he was playing favorites for the clients of the supposed paramour.

agree. who cares? at his age, i'd be impressed if he did her :)

[Dave]

Oh no, fox is having one with it as we speak. It's headline news there as well. Don't forget; McCain is not a "True" conservative.

Nah - I just had Fox Propoganada Channel on a little while ago and Hemmer and Chris Wallace were playing McCain's tune big time. "We have to cover it, because its out there . . ." was the quote at one point. They kept flashing on the ticker below "HUCKABEE: McCAIN IS A DECENT AND HONORABLE MAN".

All you guys just out of or still in College - keep it up with your talking points. You have yet to have much experience in the market and the real world.

You really think there is that big of a difference between McCain and Obama? Other than the war issue (granted that is the big issue), I doubt we would see much different one way or the other from a McCain or Obama administration.

And FWIW, I could care less if McCain put the wood to this lobbyist, unless it truly influenced his decision on what causes to champion. From what I understand, he did nothing more than write a couple of letters to the FCC saying they needed to make a decision on something for one of her clients - he did not attempt to suggest what decision the FCC should make, just that they needed to get off their ass and make a decison. If he fucked her, its no more relevent than what Clinton did with Lewinsky.

Its a non-story to me - that is unless they can find where he was playing favorites for the clients of the supposed paramour.

[kishg]

Oh no, fox is having one with it as we speak. It's headline news there as well. Don't forget; McCain is not a "True" conservative.

haha.. yes.. what a cluster..

[uofom3]

Like FOX wouldn't have if the scandal involved obama?

Oh no, fox is having one with it as we speak. It's headline news there as well. Don't forget; McCain is not a "True" conservative.

[kishg]

Now the NY Times and PMSNBC are having a field day because of his infidelity; speaking to the nature of his character.

Like FOX wouldn't have if the scandal involved obama?

[kishg]

That is the entire basis for the democratic party. Pray on peoples weakenesses and problems. Promise to solve them, and ultimately solve nothing.

both parties actually.. they are politicians, what did you expect?

[uofom3]

...or a severe education problem to begin with

I had a whole paragraph written to address that specific problem, but deleted it because I didn't want to open up that can of worms.

You're absolutely right though.

[uofom3]

30 second cliff notes?

8 years ago, he alledgedly did some lobbyist.

He then gave her some sort of political benefits for "services provided"

Now the NY Times and PMSNBC are having a field day because of his infidelity; speaking to the nature of his character.

McCain Denies it, she denies it, and no one will say who started the whole thing or where the facts came from. I would guess that with the amount of attention this will get, we'll hear about that sooner than later.

Either McCain is fucked, or the NY Times is going to have some serious egg on their face. Claims like this need to be substantiated, and as of last time I had the TV, Radio, or Internet up no one had made and remarks regarding the authenticity of the claims.

She is looking for legal grounds to sue the Times for slander. He cannot because he is a public figure.