Obama Campaign Theatrics --- woman faints @ rallies a scam?

[uofom3]

OK guys, something I was thinking about last night.

Back to that snipit from his speech.

"We're here because of the mother in San Antonio that I met just today, just this afternoon. She's got 2-year-old twins who are legally blind. She somehow entered into a predatory loan and saw her mortgage payments double in two weeks and has paid thousands in fees to try to stave off foreclosure.

She told me she was on the verge of packing and didn't know where her family would go next. She needed us to crack down on predatory lenders and give relief to struggling homeowners who were tricked out of their dream. She needs change today."

Now explain to me how he is not doing the same thing to the American people that the "predatory lenders" did to this woman. He is taking advantage of short-sighted Americans that think, "Oh, wow, no taxes for me and I can stick it to the man. Count me in!" Then a year or two down the line when there are no jobs and our economy is in a real recession (I think we are in a minor one right now, but if this happens, you ain't seen nothing yet).

Years from now we will have speeches like, "Years ago the American people somehow got into a tax system that....." :D <--even though it is not funny and is true and sad.

That is the entire basis for the democratic party. Pray on peoples weakenesses and problems. Promise to solve them, and ultimately solve nothing.

Anyone notice that what Hillary is campaigning on now is the same stuff she campaigned for in 92 with Bill? That means the she never accomplished ANYTHING.

There are proven ways to solve just about every problem you can think of; the problem is most all of the true solutions aren't easy (far from easy). This is true in life - it's easier to not go to college and get a job than it is to go to school and stick it out another 4 or 5 years. It's easier to buy a 45 in. tv, lease a car, and rent and apartmetn than watch your 25 inch shitbox and drive a 20 y/o beaterized car while saving money to put a down payment on a house.

Your post also brings up the concept of generational poverty. My mom has been an edcuator for years, and when I talk to her she almost always brings up something along these lines and how it frustrates her that "the people these people go home to don't provide the support (and I"m not talking financial) that is necessary to move forward". I'm assuming that most people here have heard of generational poverty, and understand the concept so I'm not going to detail it - but it ultimately ties directly into what the Dem's and Obama in particular are praying on.

Also, the statement, "Somehow got caught up in an adjustable mortage" is just laughable.

[uofom3]

Regarding today's "scandal" with McCain...

He denies it (obviously).

She denies it (somewhat obviously, but somewhat surprising).

NY Times is the most liberally biased paper in the country (not surprising).

They ran a 9 Page article about it (which I have not consumed all of yet).

Their sources are "going to remain anonymous".

She is going to sue the NY Times for slander, apparently.

I can't support this kind of behavior, because I have slammed Clinton for doing this as well. He's in a position of influence, and should be held to a higher standard of conduct. It would be pretty lefty and hypocritical of me to stand by McCain after bashing Clinton.

SO - I will reserve judgement about this until there are more facts such as sources released, affidavites filed, etc.

This is a damn shame however - if this is true, Obama will 99&#37; likely be the next president, and we can blame the downfall of the most free, successful, and stable country the planet has ever seen on McCains penis.

[Funkmasta]

Also, the statement, "Somehow got caught up in an adjustable mortage" is just laughable.

...or a severe education problem to begin with

[Funkmasta]

Regarding today's "scandal" with McCain...

30 second cliff notes?

[uofom3]

30 second cliff notes?

8 years ago, he alledgedly did some lobbyist.

He then gave her some sort of political benefits for "services provided"

Now the NY Times and PMSNBC are having a field day because of his infidelity; speaking to the nature of his character.

McCain Denies it, she denies it, and no one will say who started the whole thing or where the facts came from. I would guess that with the amount of attention this will get, we'll hear about that sooner than later.

Either McCain is fucked, or the NY Times is going to have some serious egg on their face. Claims like this need to be substantiated, and as of last time I had the TV, Radio, or Internet up no one had made and remarks regarding the authenticity of the claims.

She is looking for legal grounds to sue the Times for slander. He cannot because he is a public figure.

[uofom3]

...or a severe education problem to begin with

I had a whole paragraph written to address that specific problem, but deleted it because I didn't want to open up that can of worms.

You're absolutely right though.

[kishg]

That is the entire basis for the democratic party. Pray on peoples weakenesses and problems. Promise to solve them, and ultimately solve nothing.

both parties actually.. they are politicians, what did you expect?

[kishg]

Now the NY Times and PMSNBC are having a field day because of his infidelity; speaking to the nature of his character.

Like FOX wouldn't have if the scandal involved obama?

[uofom3]

Like FOX wouldn't have if the scandal involved obama?

Oh no, fox is having one with it as we speak. It's headline news there as well. Don't forget; McCain is not a "True" conservative.

[kishg]

Oh no, fox is having one with it as we speak. It's headline news there as well. Don't forget; McCain is not a "True" conservative.

haha.. yes.. what a cluster..

[Dave]

Oh no, fox is having one with it as we speak. It's headline news there as well. Don't forget; McCain is not a "True" conservative.

Nah - I just had Fox Propoganada Channel on a little while ago and Hemmer and Chris Wallace were playing McCain's tune big time. "We have to cover it, because its out there . . ." was the quote at one point. They kept flashing on the ticker below "HUCKABEE: McCAIN IS A DECENT AND HONORABLE MAN".

All you guys just out of or still in College - keep it up with your talking points. You have yet to have much experience in the market and the real world.

You really think there is that big of a difference between McCain and Obama? Other than the war issue (granted that is the big issue), I doubt we would see much different one way or the other from a McCain or Obama administration.

And FWIW, I could care less if McCain put the wood to this lobbyist, unless it truly influenced his decision on what causes to champion. From what I understand, he did nothing more than write a couple of letters to the FCC saying they needed to make a decision on something for one of her clients - he did not attempt to suggest what decision the FCC should make, just that they needed to get off their ass and make a decison. If he fucked her, its no more relevent than what Clinton did with Lewinsky.

Its a non-story to me - that is unless they can find where he was playing favorites for the clients of the supposed paramour.

[kishg]

You really think there is that big of a difference between McCain and Obama? Other than the war issue (granted that is the big issue), I doubt we would see much different one way or the other from a McCain or Obama administration.

And FWIW, I could care less if McCain put the wood to this lobbyist, unless it truly influenced his decision on what causes to champion. From what I understand, he did nothing more than write a couple of letters to the FCC saying they needed to make a decision on something for one of her clients - he did not attempt to suggest what decision the FCC should make, just that they needed to get off their ass and make a decison. If he fucked her, its no more relevent than what Clinton did with Lewinsky.

Its a non-story to me - that is unless they can find where he was playing favorites for the clients of the supposed paramour.

agree. who cares? at his age, i'd be impressed if he did her :)

[DarkWing6]

All you guys just out of or still in College - keep it up with your talking points. You have yet to have much experience in the market and the real world.

Could you enlighten us? My experiance has nothing to do with it. Tell us where we are wrong. Simple logic and a day it economics class is all you need to understand that Obama's plan is a joke.

[kishg]

Could you enlighten us? My experiance has nothing to do with it. Tell us where we are wrong. Simple logic and a day it economics class is all you need to understand that Obama's plan is a joke.

plan's are over-rated. :) dubya survived 8yrs and he has no fucking clue how to even tie his own shoe-laces

[uofom3]

agree. who cares? at his age, i'd be impressed if he did her :)

"I'd be impressed if he still had some lead in the pencil"

Kishg - I appreciate the points you have made but you really havn't offer anything that is substantiated.

Obviously I encourage you to post and appreciate the differing opinion, but you're pretty much just dropping cliche' taglines here... Not offering counter arguments. Substantiate stuff to help facilitate a better discussion and more understanding.