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[Vedubin01]

Maluco, your just sad your BF got beat!

Again if rampage was such a bad ass, he should have knocked the Forrest out! Did not happen and the pointing system saw the same fight I did.

;)

[Maluco]

dude, I was for the underdog, however, my whole shit with the way it went down touches my conspiracy, for a lack of a better term, nerve.

I dislike Rampage. Wanderlei straight up punished his ass, knocking him out, in two separate meets and he would still talk mad shit. Trust me, my arguements are purely in regards to the blatant bullshit that took place...

[Vedubin01]

hey can you tell me how you truly feel?:)

[jflip2002]

dude, I was for the underdog, however, my whole shit with the way it went down touches my conspiracy, for a lack of a better term, nerve.

I dislike Rampage. Wanderlei straight up punished his ass, knocking him out, in two separate meets and he would still talk mad shit. Trust me, my arguements are purely in regards to the blatant bullshit that took place...

You just dig Vanderlei because he is brazilian lol. Chuck fucked his ass up. Rampage fucked up chuck. Therefore Rampage owns both lol. I think the UFC wanted forest to win. That way Chuck has a better shot of getting the belt back. We all know he wasnt going to beat rampage to get it back. Chuck is the most popular fighter in UFC history, of course they want him to have it.

[joshh]

last time i checked..HE doesnt have a belt.. :rofl:

You misread that. "He" was referring to Forrest. Obviously.

[Maluco]

You just dig Vanderlei because he is brazilian lol. Chuck fucked his ass up. Rampage fucked up chuck. Therefore Rampage owns both lol. I think the UFC wanted forest to win. That way Chuck has a better shot of getting the belt back. We all know he wasnt going to beat rampage to get it back. Chuck is the most popular fighter in UFC history, of course they want him to have it.

LOL, you think Chuck fucked his ass up??? You must have not watched Pride. The two fighters before him is what one would call "fucking one up". Chuck didn't do shit when meeting him in Pride but that only brings up all kinds of other arguements. They don't have to allow kicks and knees while down if they don't want but, I say at least apply those 10 minute Pride rounds and let's see what happens.

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/Cro%2BCop%2Bvs%2BWanderlei/video/x4v4k2_wanderlei-silva-vs-mirko-cro-cop-pr_sport

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/Dan%2BHenderson%2Bvs%2BWanderlei/video/x52r0h_wanderlei-silva-vs-dan-henderson-pr_sport

[jflip2002]

Oh I know chuck got stomped by him in Pride. But come on, thats like saying Tom Brady sucks, because he wasnt very good at Michigan. Pride is to the UFC, as the NCAA is to the NFL. lol.

PS: I said that to work you up. I hate Chuck ;)

[Coco Savage]

You obviously need to watch the fight or watch it again if you actually viewed it.

http://www.mmaroot.com/quinton-rampage-jackson-vs-forrest-griffin-ufc-86-video/

you have it assbackwards, if you want to take the belt, you KO the guy holding it. Besides the fighter that came closer to a KO was Rampage. He both rocked Forrest and knocked him on his ass...?

Reality is, we could all sit here and argue about it for days. Judges are officials and they officially fkd this fight up. Watch the fight again... Two judges actually gave Forrest the first!

But in the case you judge strictly from KO's, blood and all that shit, I'll leave you with this...

...that pic doesn show rampage limping..LOL

If bothered reading my other posts...i feel BOTH fighters should equally work hard in the fight. That post you quoted was specifically referring to ramps mgr whining about being robbed. No way in a hell should a champ just coast through a fight and still come out champ.

You dont wanna get robbed? KO the guy(not nearly ko the guy, not wait for the judges, not compare pretty faces after the fight KO THE GUY)but if you leave it up to the judges and arent aggressive then there is Zero to complain about...end discussion.

[jflip2002]

You dont wanna get robbed? KO the guy(not nearly ko the guy, not wait for the judges, not compare pretty faces after the fight KO THE GUY)but if you leave it up to the judges and arent aggressive then there is Zero to complain about...end discussion.

Lol, yeah ok. Thats pretty ignorant to say. There are many fights where a fighter doesnt knock the other out ,and its clear who won the fight. This isnt one of those instances where it was CLEAR rampage won, but I feel he won a shitty fight. Sure, Rampage didnt really push the fight, he didnt dominate like he should have. But the fact is, neither did forest. Forest just landed some leg kicks (except round 2), big fucking deal. Rampage was NEVER in danger of losing that fight due to those leg kicks. It almost seemed like Forest wasnt even fighting, he was just trying to "score points". Thats not a champion I would like to see with the belt, nor is it one who should have it. If you cant coast to retaining the title, you would certainly agree that you cant coast to obtaining the title.

[Coco Savage]

Lol, yeah ok. Thats pretty ignorant to say. There are many fights where a fighter doesnt knock the other out ,and its clear who won the fight. This isnt one of those instances where it was CLEAR rampage won, but I feel he won a shitty fight. Sure, Rampage didnt really push the fight, he didnt dominate like he should have. But the fact is, neither did forest. Forest just landed some leg kicks (except round 2), big fucking deal. Rampage was NEVER in danger of losing that fight due to those leg kicks. It almost seemed like Forest wasnt even fighting, he was just trying to "score points". Thats not a champion I would like to see with the belt, nor is it one who should have it. If you cant coast to retaining the title, you would certainly agree that you cant coast to obtaining the title.

everything you said is a matter of opinion...just like the judges. Although i dont agree with HOW the judges scored the fight IMO i agree forrest one...just a matter of opinion in how we saw the fight.

Funny part you sound so certain that rampage won....did you not hear him question himself at the end of the fight? He asked his corner guy "you think i won that?" He wasnt overly confident he won....just his fans.

the reason i mention the KO portion is because there have been posts where the feeling is only the challenger needs to KO the champ for the challenger to have a just victory. To me thats not so...you wanna win? Both fighters should work just as hard to win and With a KO/tapout there is no questions.

reality is if ramp had gotten the nod...and forrest lost, any complaining he would have done would have been pointless too...you dont like the judges decision take them out of the equation ya know?

[joshh]

I pretty much agree with Coco Savage on that one.
You want to show you own that belt, you better prove it.
Does that justify bad judging when it happens, no. But that's the point, don't let the judges make the choice.

[Coco Savage]

I pretty much agree with Coco Savage on that one.
You want to show you own that belt, you better prove it.
Does that justify bad judging when it happens, no. But that's the point, don't let the judges make the choice.

yup thats all im saying..and that could apply to either fighter.

[Maluco]

UFC confirms title shot for Canadian Cote - Sportsnet.ca

THE CANADIAN PRESS

LAS VEGAS -- Canada could have two UFC champions by year's end.

Georges St. Pierre rules the 170-pound welterweight division. And Patrick (The Predator) Cote, GSP's friend and Montreal training partner, has been granted a crack at the 185-pound middleweight title -- probably later this year.

Cote (14-4) earned that Saturday night by winning a split decision over Ricardo (Big Dog) Almeida in the co-main event of UFC 86 at the Mandalay Bay Events Center.

"He's getting a title shot," UFC president Dana White said.

Cote is expected to meet Anderson Silva for the title but there are some hoops for the champion -- considered the best pound-for-pound fighter in mixed martial arts -- to jump through first. Silva is taking on James (The Sandman) Irvin on July 19 in Las Vegas in a light-heavyweight bout. Then he is slated to defend his middleweight title, probably against Japan's Yushin Okami, at UFC 88 in Atlanta on Sept. 6.

The Cote fight is expected some two months after that.

GSP, meanwhile, has a title defence against Jon Fitch at UFC 87 in Minneapolis on Aug. 9

For the hard-hitting Cote, it could be a second shot at Silva. He lost to Travis Lutter, a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt, and looked bad on the ground doing it in the November 2006 finale of Season 4 of "The Ultimate Fighter," missing out on a championship bout.

Cote had the last laugh on the grappler this time, albeit in a fight that was hardly the stuff of legend. But White acknowledged the style matchup made for a cautious fight with Almeida, another Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt, looking to avoid Cote's heavy hands and Cote trying not to get snared by Almeida's submissions skills.

"I knew if I made a mistake in this fight, I will lose the fight for sure ... If you go on the ground with this guy, you're dead," said Cote. "He's one of the best guys in the world at jiu-jitsu."

And while there were some boos from the crowd, the fighters paid a price for the bout. Both of Cote's eyes were slightly blackened and Almeida's head was lumpy and swollen as they face the media after the fight.

Cote, who also heard his name chanted by the crowd, was riding high.

"It's a big win for me," said Cote, who served five years in the Canadian military including time in Bosnia. "This win will change my life."

Cote served in the Royal 22nd Regiment known as the Van Doos.

There was some drama outside the cage after the fight. Manager Stephane Patry said a UFC official -- not White -- had berated his fighter for the lacklustre bout. Patry said he promptly complained to UFC co-owner Lorenzo Fertitta, who assured him Cote would be treated right.

"Obviously it wasn't the most exciting fight but Lorenzo's a good guy, he understands," Patry said.

Two judges scored the bout 29-28 for the Canadian while the third had it 29-28 for Almeida.

"It wasn't a great fight," Almeida admitted. "I felt I dominated the first round."

All three judges gave it to him. But two of them awarded Cote the second and all three gave the Canadian the third.

Out of character, Almeida landed some good shots in the opening round. Cote ended up absorbing punches on his back from a standing Almeida.

Almeida's glove split during the first round and the start of the second was delayed as it was taped shut.

"Something happened with me mentally right there or physically, or maybe both. I was just dead in the second round, just very very tired." he said.

Almeida (9-3) did seem to fade as the fight went on.

He tried to pull guard in the second round, managing one unsuccessful triangle choke attempt. Cote did not connect with many punches but did catch Almeida with a right to the chin as the bell rang. The tired Canadian came on slightly in a third round that drew boos.

Cote, 28, has now won his last five fights -- four of those in the UFC. Patry said Cote may look to fight in advance of the title challenge because of the time gap between now and then.

Unbeaten outside of the UFC, Cote had some bad breaks in his early losses. In his UFC debut, at UFC 50 in October 2004, he was moved from the prelims to the main event at the last minute as a replacement opponent for Tito Ortiz. Cote lost a decision but won some respect for staggering Ortiz on.

"We were in a bad spot and the kid got thrown to the wolves. No doubt about it," White said in a 2006 interview.

Cote was winning against fellow Canadian Joe Doerksen at UFC 52 when he made a mistake and was choked out. He then lost a split decision to Chris Leben, a fight he believes he should have won.

As the scores were read out Saturday, Cote said he feared there might have been a repeat of the Leben scoring when it got to the third judge.

"Not again, not again," he recalled thinking. "It's my time, it's payback time."

Cote started his current UFC win streak with a dull decision over Scott Smith at UFC 67 in April 2007 -- "That fight sucked," White said dismissively at the time. But Cote then turned heads by knocking out Kendall Grove and Drew McFedries.

"I can't do that all the time," he said of the KOs. "It (Almeida) was not this kind of fight."

Cote admitted to nerves before Saturday's high-profile fight but not the personal issues (acknowledged but not explained) and injury (knee) before the Grove and McFedries bouts.

The Brazilian-born Alameida, a disciple of Renzo Gracie, quit the sport in 2004 to focus on his family and jiu-jitsu school in Hamilton, N.J. At the time, he was riding a six-fight win streak in Japan -- beating the likes of Nate Marquardt, Kazuo Misaki and Ryo Chonan along the way.

He returned in style at UFC 81 in February, needing just 68 seconds to lock a guillotine choke on an outmatched Rob Yundt, who was a late injury replacement for Alan (The Talent) Belcher.

[Maluco]

Oh I know chuck got stomped by him in Pride. But come on, thats like saying Tom Brady sucks, because he wasnt very good at Michigan. Pride is to the UFC, as the NCAA is to the NFL. lol.

PS: I said that to work you up. I hate Chuck ;)

yeah, I'll admit, I do not like Chuck. I always felt that Pride was superior to the UFC first in their rules (albeit ruthless) and secondly in fighters.

[Maluco]

UFC 86 salaries: Forrest Griffin earns $250K, Quinton Jackson gets $225K | MMAjunkie.com



Forrest Griffin: $250,000 (includes $150,000 win bonus) def.
Quinton Jackson: $225,000

Patrick Cote: $32,000 ($16,000 win bonus) def.
Ricardo Almeida: $23,000

Joe Stevenson: $60,000 ($30,000 win bonus) def.
Gleison Tibau: $11,000

Josh Koscheck: $70,000 ($35,000 win bonus) def.
Chris Lytle: $14,000

Tyson Griffin: $40,000 ($20,000 win bonus) def.
Marcus Aurelio: $40,000

Gabriel Gonzaga: $100,000 ($50,000 win bonus) def.
Justin McCully: $5,000

Cole Miller: $20,000 ($10,000 win bonus) def.
Jorge Gurgel: $ 10,000

Melvin Guillard: $20,000 ($10,000 win bonus) def.
Dennis Siver: $7,000

Justin Buchholz: $8,000 ($4000 win bonus) def.
Corey Hill: $8,000