Global Warming: What do you think? What do you know?

[rwh11385]

I'd say arrogant more than ignorant.

Bobby - you've bought full-fledged into this idea that human beings are killing the planet. Fine. I'm just not sure what you base this on. I've got a second-hand handle on your background, clubs you are associated with, etc. I find it hard to believe that you are going to take this stance so fervantly. I know you're not stupid in the least, that's why I'm having a hard time with this.

If you are saying simply that the American population should be more conscious about how it discards it's waste and how much it consumes I am completely with you; if for nothing other than the economic ramifications of wasteful spending and consuming. However, you are preaching to people how they SHOULD behave, and if they are a descenting voice they are "ignorant hicks". You sound like Obama.

I'm just as guilty as being a strong personality as you are, and I'm not going to deny that. But there becomes a point when you say, "hey, people are going to make their own choices" and this is one of those points. I strongly encourage people to spend less, be more conscious of how they spend money, etc. All of this is good for them, and good for society. However, your communist dribble is COMPLETELY against your economic background and your logical reasoning that you have positioned in the past.

I think that you sound like an elitist. You know what is best FOR ME... and I believe that no one cares about my best interest more than I do. The LAST THING i want is some individual (conservative or liberal) suggesting what is truly best for me and my life. Our country is based on providing as much freedom as possible whilst still retaining order. Liberals are trying to take that away, and it looks as though you are drinking the Kool-aid in a major way.

I just think that our culture needs to evolve from "fuck what we should do" because we don't have to, to more people acting intelligently considering environmental impact in what they do. no one can force them to, and that is in part the problem. You do what you do because you decide to, but we should get more people to realize our habits are very negative and are damaging.

"big brother" shouldn't need to step in and tell us what to do. but we should do, as you mentioned, try to influence people to use cloth diapers, recycle, go for responsible choices, etc.

I guess that may be too much to act for mr. sleeve. but overall, we can't keep up our bad habits because "we can".

f you are saying simply that the American population should be more conscious about how it discards it's waste and how much it consumes I am completely with you;

that sums it up. we should be smarter about the decisions we make. no one should force anyone but our stubborn attitude to do what we want should be evolved to do what we want in consideration of the effect we are having on the world and environment.

[rwh11385]

NO ONE has said that they are against change. They are just telling you that your stupid forms of change are extreme, uncalled for, and ignorant.

i'm sorry that mentioning other nations who don't waste as much as us that have so extreme ideas like reusing beer bottles or multi function toilets. that sentence doesn't make any sense but fuck yourself like you want to do the world

[rwh11385]

I am not quick to judge, I have a problem with stupidity, which between this a the E85 thing you have show in spades.


When did I say people could not make a difference???????????????????

I do my part, I fix shit that I can rather than throw away, I recycle my cans, bottles and all the scrap metals I can. I am again all for a better energy source that but not due to the GW craze.

No cognitive ability??????? You sir have no clue, look where shit is going there are all kinds of laws all over world being enacted because of this fear mongering, all with no difinitive proof that we as a population have anything to do with it. I am sorry you seem like a very smart guy but you bought the propaganda hook line and sinker. If this was 1930's germany you would be 1st in line to invade poland.

nothing to panic about is right, there is not a dammed thing we can do about the sun and our distance form it.

sorry, i mention neighbors getting neighbors to recycle and you freak the fuck out and say fuck the government.

propaganda? seeing other nations recycle, reuse better than the USA be propaganda? after Ted says we aren't worse than other nations

we make the MOST garbage per person of ANYONE in the fucking world.

are you saying we shouldn't do anything and get others to do the same? no, then why is the concept hard for you and you against it. get your friends to behave responsibly. nothing wrong with that. unless you feel that is not fair for "freedom"

[uofom3]

No I think every form of government today is bad, but "progressive" liberals have no right to brainwash people into believing a huge conspiracy such as global warming.

Truth.

[uofom3]

NO ONE has said that they are against change. They are just telling you that your stupid forms of change are extreme, uncalled for, and ignorant.

I'd say arrogant more than ignorant.

Bobby - you've bought full-fledged into this idea that human beings are killing the planet. Fine. I'm just not sure what you base this on. I've got a second-hand handle on your background, clubs you are associated with, etc. I find it hard to believe that you are going to take this stance so fervantly. I know you're not stupid in the least, that's why I'm having a hard time with this.

If you are saying simply that the American population should be more conscious about how it discards it's waste and how much it consumes I am completely with you; if for nothing other than the economic ramifications of wasteful spending and consuming. However, you are preaching to people how they SHOULD behave, and if they are a descenting voice they are "ignorant hicks". You sound like Obama.

I'm just as guilty as being a strong personality as you are, and I'm not going to deny that. But there becomes a point when you say, "hey, people are going to make their own choices" and this is one of those points. I strongly encourage people to spend less, be more conscious of how they spend money, etc. All of this is good for them, and good for society. However, your communist dribble is COMPLETELY against your economic background and your logical reasoning that you have positioned in the past.

I think that you sound like an elitist. You know what is best FOR ME... and I believe that no one cares about my best interest more than I do. The LAST THING i want is some individual (conservative or liberal) suggesting what is truly best for me and my life. Our country is based on providing as much freedom as possible whilst still retaining order. Liberals are trying to take that away, and it looks as though you are drinking the Kool-aid in a major way.

[uofom3]

How is he a close-minded hick? This is because he is correct? Oh that is right, I am one of those bitter Americans who clings to my gun and relgion.

thank you trent.

[delfin]

summing someone up based on a few principles shows that you are quick to judge and very limited in your ability to understand people. i.e. closeminded

you have no cognitive ability to think people can make a difference or influence others without laws or regulation. you think that also anyone who would do something would go directly to legislation as the best idea. far from it, a lot know it's inefficient.

when you type that you are so much against change, it makes you seem like a stubborn american "back-woods man" who hates government.

NO ONE has said that they are against change. They are just telling you that your stupid forms of change are extreme, uncalled for, and ignorant.

[mrsleeve]

I am not quick to judge, I have a problem with stupidity, which between this a the E85 thing you have show in spades.


When did I say people could not make a difference???????????????????

I do my part, I fix shit that I can rather than throw away, I recycle my cans, bottles and all the scrap metals I can. I am again all for a better energy source that but not due to the GW craze.

No cognitive ability??????? You sir have no clue, look where shit is going there are all kinds of laws all over world being enacted because of this fear mongering, all with no difinitive proof that we as a population have anything to do with it. I am sorry you seem like a very smart guy but you bought the propaganda hook line and sinker. If this was 1930's germany you would be 1st in line to invade poland.

nothing to panic about is right, there is not a dammed thing we can do about the sun and our distance form it.

[E30 Wagen]

Well, i must admit that the question i posed to the staunchly anti-gw crowd was not an honest, neutral question, but one designed to expose just how egotistical you all are.

So, thanks for proving me right.

Oh, and heeter pretty much sums up my exact thoughts.

Carry on, I guess...

I'm just gonna go and ask. Are you drunk?

he said the climate changes daily, not trending. then you ask where is the data for the trending he mentioned (but said did not exist)

Go back and read what he was referencing too. And yes, he was stating that the sun does not change daily, but was making a reference that the earth has been heating up, "at an exponentialy growing rate trending back 100 years." He worded it very odd. Also backing up what he said was this quote, "...Earth has always had natural climactic fluctuations. But the rate of change has accelerated to over 100x the normal rate, so obviously we are having some kind of effect."

I am asking to see evidence of these said changes? Is that fair?

[rwh11385]

summing someone up based on a few principles shows that you are quick to judge and very limited in your ability to understand people. i.e. closeminded

you have no cognitive ability to think people can make a difference or influence others without laws or regulation. you think that also anyone who would do something would go directly to legislation as the best idea. far from it, a lot know it's inefficient.

when you type that you are so much against change, it makes you seem like a stubborn american "back-woods man" who hates government.

[rwh11385]

No I think every form of government today is bad, but "progressive" liberals have no right to brainwash people into believing a huge conspiracy such as global warming. Yes, I know it's bad to waste but it's nothing to panic about. There's the same amount of molecules on the earth as when it first started, if not more from all the asteroids and such that have hit us.

So anarchy is your preference?

Global warming is not something to worry about, but what we do and what we could be doing is - about our waste .

Nothing to panic about = not care to do anything towards the solution?

A lot more of those molecules are garbage and in landfills thanks to our throw-it-up culture.

[mrsleeve]

because he quickly assumes social responsibility can only be impacted by government and taxes. no one is taking away your gun or religion.

we're just asking you be responsible with both.



I'm just gonna go and ask. Are you drunk?

he said the climate changes daily, not trending. then you ask where is the data for the trending he mentioned (but said did not exist)

Ok man, your type will push for legislation to archive these lofty goals of yours. Because your type apparently think you know what is best for everyone thus we need laws to tell everyone else what they need to buy, drive, eat, and throw away. How long till I need a permit to Wipe my ass after going #2, or will you guys try to ban that also??????

Look no further than CA, an the CA. air research Board or the banning of lead ammo also in CA, I can continue on how many govt. have way too much control over our lives.

Also reading comperhension (sp) must not be one of you stronger skills. I did not say climate changes, but rather solar out varies hour by hour, but that was part of a different debate.

oh yeah just because I live in the middle of nowhere MT and own many guns dose not mean I am closed minded or a Hick. We have meet face to face a while back heeter.

delfin: that last comment was again, right on target.

[delfin]

Would you be one of the people in the day who still wanted slavery or women not to have a vote?

Social change is fundamental in civilizations to advance them. It's not communist to believe people should influence others in order to make a difference. Do you prefer anarchy then?

No I think every form of government today is bad, but "progressive" liberals have no right to brainwash people into believing a huge conspiracy such as global warming. Yes, I know it's bad to waste but it's nothing to panic about. There's the same amount of molecules on the earth as when it first started, if not more from all the asteroids and such that have hit us.

[rwh11385]

How is he a close-minded hick? This is because he is correct? Oh that is right, I am one of those bitter Americans who clings to my gun and relgion.

because he quickly assumes social responsibility can only be impacted by government and taxes. no one is taking away your gun or religion.

we're just asking you be responsible with both.

Ok grease tits, can we see your data about this "growing trend dating back 100 years?"

So if this "phenonmenon" of "global warming" has lasted 100 years, what was the big tittlywinks about global cooling during the 70s? Hmm, the data stated the earth had been getting cooler since the mid 40s. I am sure you will say this is related to "global warming."

Hmm, I am confused. Earth has had at least 4 ice ages. So where does the supposed Milankovitch cycles fit into all this?

I'm just gonna go and ask. Are you drunk?

he said the climate changes daily, not trending. then you ask where is the data for the trending he mentioned (but said did not exist)