Global Warming: What do you think? What do you know?

[mrsleeve]

Thermal Mass Storage. Dont think just about your car, what about the way you heat your house, or the energy you get to use the computer you are on right now?

this has been done since the early 80's with mirrors all pointing at one spot on a tower filled with oil in the ca desert somewhere. The spanish are doing it with water in the tower to make steam to spin turbine generators. Works very well durring the day. Its keeping enough heat over night to make the steam thats the issue. but over all that is a decent plan but not the best use of the land in many cases. It takes 100's of acres of mirrios an 10's of millions to build one of these things for much less power out put than a clean burring highly efficant coal plant. Coal is somethign we have in huge abundance, IIRC at our current rate of increasing use the coal deposits in the lower 48 alone will last 175 years (IIRC)

[monty]

I use the "language" to drive home common sense points as a way of making them stand out in you mind as you read. It worked to it seems.

You could have made the same point, just remove the f bombs, still says the same thing.

[monty]

Because the sun dont shine at night!!!!!!!!!!!! also I would think you would get shitty performance on a over cast day.

I drive a lot at night an also when its cloudy so you have a moot point for a solar car.

Thermal Mass Storage. Dont think just about your car, what about the way you heat your house, or the energy you get to use the computer you are on right now?

[mrsleeve]

I use the "language" to drive home common sense points as a way of making them stand out in you mind as you read. It worked to it seems.

[monty]

Ok so my facts are wrong im no encyclopedia, just saying what I've heard. And it has to do with corn(ethanol) vs. water. Thank you oh wise one for correcting me though you would be more respected by me minus the the language. So are you saying plants are bad? Oh yes, if us humans werent here to cut down all the trees and habbitats the world would be doomed because of too much plant gas. Also it takes more fossil fuel to make the amount of ethanol that is produced. None the less, solar power.

[mrsleeve]

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WTF are you talking about. The moonshine that made people go blind during prohibition was not really moon shine it was commercially available Rubbing alcohol thats made from wood not grain. Wood alcohol is waht makes you go blind and since the govt. banned normal spirits they turned to rubbing alcohol.

that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Now go sit in a fucking green house that is full of h20 vapors in the middle of summer tell me how that feels. Plants put tons upon tons of H2O in the the atmo everyday, through transpiration and you want millions of car to do the same, the whole planet will be a damm cloud thats hlolding all the fucking heat in. Ever notice in winter (or summer for that matter) nearly all cloudy nights are warmer than clear nights??? Want to know why that is clouds are H2O vapor and are acting as a blanket holding in the heat.

edit: real Kentucky moon shine is made form corn there sparky.

[monty]

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Hey h20 vapor is a worse green house gas than CO2, it trap even more heat.

I dont believe that. Moonshine is made by yeast fermenting a sugar source to produce ethanol and then separating the alcohol from the fermenting mixture (the mash) through distillation using a still. Moonshine made people go blind becasue of the ethonal. H20 does not make people go blind.

[mrsleeve]

Because the sun dont shine at night!!!!!!!!!!!! also I would think you would get shitty performance on a over cast day.

I drive a lot at night an also when its cloudy so you have a moot point for a solar car.

[monty]

It is very interesting to me that only one of you have mentiond a form of solar energy? In my opinion this is the only route to go and seems dumb not to. Heat and light from the sun, along with other solar resources such as wind and wave power, hydroelectricity and biomass, account for over 99.9% of the available flow of renewable energy on Earth. Why invest into trying to move your car with corn when all you have to do is harness the solar energy and figure a way to transport it and make it usable, which we are capable of doing, Thermal Mass Storage. There are certain areas of the country that are good for certain things do to climate. For example Nebraska for corn, Washington for apples, Florida for oranges, Mexico for Tequilla ect. but solar power is everywhere. With all the technological advances we have come up with I think this should be on the list as #1 in dealing with, not making food move the world.

[mrsleeve]

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Hey h20 vapor is a worse green house gas than CO2, it trap even more heat.

[NC325iC]

hydrogen is going to be the best bet for a renewable source. you can do the fuel cell thing or like bmw you can use it in ICEs

ive heard of a product that uses hydrogen as a supplement to gas, like propane for diesel

[Joey Link]

Bush was on TV not too long ago talking about retraining people from textile industry into healthcare administration. I know I am, and usually you too, are anti-intervention, but with stubborn people who are no longer in demand, I believe it's necessary to help people adjust to hard circumstances.

I don't. You're stubborn? You don't eat.

[Massive Lee]

With age, a guy becomes more and more sceptical. I don't deny at all that global warming exists. No. I just wonder what the real causes are.

Back in the early 1970s, there was an Arab/Venezuelian oil embargo. They just reduce how much crude oil could be exported. At the same time, the medias and government were telling us that there was a shortage of oil because we reached the bottom of our natural sources... Yup. No more oil on earth. And we all believed it.

Now, arabs are blamed for selling oil barrels at an insane price. Yeah sure. Somebody has forgotten to tell the public that oil barrels are now taken more seriously than gold and the US currency and that the reason why the prices are skyrocketing is because instead of buying bonds or gold, investors buy and sell oil... It has become a blue chip. So, prices will always rise, never go down, unless another source of energy is found and investors again switch their investments.

[rwh11385]

Also with something like this, as more of it gets produced better ways of producing it will emerge.

seems like a good reason to start to use it and see where it takes us.

[rwh11385]

yes but address my second point - why not make it in a lab? it's been done... and then we don't have to mess with the rest. this isn't a "status quo" response... this just saves a hell of a lot of headaches. We can grow skin in a lab, we can re-attach limbs, and put people on the moon... but we can't synthesize oil? I find that hard to believe.

I'm not a nuclear or chemical major, but I would guess it takes energy to make energy.