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  • Jon325i
    R3V OG
    • Oct 2003
    • 6934

    #1

    My new hero: President Vaclav Klaus

    I'd pay to see this debate....



    Jon
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  • kencopperwheat
    King of Kegstands
    • Oct 2003
    • 14396

    #2
    "Klaus said a free market should be used to address environmental concerns."
    What concern does the free market have for the environment? And he calls Gore unrealistic?

    "It is in the hands of climatologists and other related scientists who are highly motivated to look in one direction only," Klaus said.
    Climatologists... bahhh, whatta they know? Certainly less about the climate than an economist.



    hahahaha, what a fucking idiot. Thanks, man. I needed a good laugh before I hit the sack.
    Originally posted by Gruelius
    and i do not know what bugg brakes are.

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    • joshh
      R3V OG
      • Aug 2004
      • 6195

      #3
      Actually he has a point if I'm thinking what he's thinking. I'd like to hear what he'd have to say about that. A free market should be used....
      And GW is a religion after all with many climatologists that are one sided.
      Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.

      "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison

      ‎"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" Barack Obama

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      • kencopperwheat
        King of Kegstands
        • Oct 2003
        • 14396

        #4
        How could the free market possibly improve the negative impact that we're having on global climate right now? Oil is readily available and cheap.
        Originally posted by Gruelius
        and i do not know what bugg brakes are.

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        • joshh
          R3V OG
          • Aug 2004
          • 6195

          #5
          Originally posted by kencopperwheat
          How could the free market possibly improve the negative impact that we're having on global climate right now? Oil is readily available and cheap.
          Oil is cheap? Prices are skyrocketing. Oil really is only a small fraction of the problems we have with global climate. Not that I believe humans have much if anything to do with global climate...
          There are a ton of examples. One is simply giving huge tax relief or in any way help lower operating costs to companies developing new technology that is considerably cleaner than fossil fuel. That alone would help open up the development of new technology in the free market. Which is exactly the opposite of a controlled market to a degree.
          Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.

          "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison

          ‎"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" Barack Obama

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          • Jon325i
            R3V OG
            • Oct 2003
            • 6934

            #6
            Originally posted by kencopperwheat
            How could the free market possibly improve the negative impact that we're having on global climate right now?
            Give some tax incentives to those companies that do invest into cleaning things up. With todays' business climate, having "awareness" for this kind of thing and making good on your intent is effective PR. Definately a better concept than Algore's carbon credits scheme.

            Jon
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            • Jon325i
              R3V OG
              • Oct 2003
              • 6934

              #7
              Originally posted by kencopperwheat
              Oil is readily available and cheap.
              Sure is......and full size SUV sales are through the roof this fiscal quarter.

              Jon
              Rides...
              1991 325i - sold :(
              2004 2WD Frontier King Cab

              RIP #17 Jules Bianchi

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              • rwh11385
                lance_entities
                • Oct 2003
                • 18403

                #8
                Originally posted by kencopperwheat
                How could the free market possibly improve the negative impact that we're having on global climate right now? Oil is readily available and cheap.
                pollution credits, duh. have you never had an intermediate micro course?



                Trading pollution credits between U.S. industries has helped reduce sulfur dioxide emissions and has accelerated the elimination of ozone-depleting chemicals, says the New York Times.

                Pollution credits are a major part of the Kyoto treaty, which will not become binding unless Russia agrees to sign it. While the United States opposes Kyoto, both supporters and opponents of Kyoto do endorse pollution credits.

                While the debate continues, countries and states are already establishing their own pollution credit programs:

                * The European Union has already begun an emissions program that matches the treaty's terms, and emissions credits have traded between 9 euros and 14 euros for the past few months.
                * California and some northeastern states are considering emissions caps and trading programs of their own.
                * A group of private companies called the Chicago Climate Exchange has formed an agreement to reduce emissions by one percent annually for the next four years through pollution-reduction projects and the trading of pollution credits (which started in December), but the credit has never been worth more than $1 per ton of emissions.

                Pollution credits allow companies to choose between spending money on the purchase of pollution abatement equipment or using the money to purchase unused pollution credits from other companies that have reduced their emissions. In conjunction with mandatory emissions caps, they provide an incentive for companies to act efficiently.



                Those who see reducing pollution through technology will do so in choice, not being forced to meet a cap, and those who cannot do so buy credits from them.

                free market baby

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                • nando
                  Moderator
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 34827

                  #9
                  Originally posted by kencopperwheat
                  How could the free market possibly improve the negative impact that we're having on global climate right now? Oil is readily available and cheap.
                  it does when enviromental costs (not neccesarily money) are accounted for - you are right that for a long time, it didn't matter to the market, but that's because the enviromental costs were so low that people either didn't care or didn't notice. Right now, they are high and they are only going to get higher - pollution credits are just one way to monetize enviromental costs so that the market will take them into account.

                  and oil is cheap? seriously?
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