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    #31
    well, if McCain gets the vote (which, in my opinion, is not the end of the world) all of your buddies will be in smug douchebag overdrive and making fun of me won't be as satisfying as you'd hope. I'm not a partisan windbag, and I personally view this election as one of the best in the history of the country.

    But if Obama gets in, I'm sure Rush Limbaugh will be shitting his pants. I love listening to him. I always know what tune he'll be singing depending on what's happening in the world. If Bush has said something stupid again, he'll be complaining that the LIBRULS are always so whiny and negative. It's like birdsong, different depending on the time of day. If Obama as president is half as bad as the GOP likes to say it will be, I say bring it on. He's got a lot to prove, and I like that in someone we're supposed to call "leader."

    I absolutely hate the political climate in our country today, and I almost want nothing to do with it.
    Not that I care, of course.

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      #32
      again when the government takes your rights and liberties away, it is next to impossible to ever get them back.
      Build your own dreams, or someone else will hire you to build theirs!

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        #33
        Originally posted by hugh jass View Post
        you mean you'll copy and paste your argument from some other website pennypig?
        Just some stats but the arguments will be mine. ( are you still fucking with peoples names, it's cute )

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          #34
          Originally posted by Vedubin01 View Post
          Most of all, I'm voting Democrat because I like the ideas they have over in France, but I don't feel like moving there. I'll threaten to move, but I really won't. After all, I have a good job, healthcare, lower taxes, free speech and a social framework that promotes family structure. And all of it is defended by the most effective fighting force on the planet.

          Let me just point out that in most cultures across the world, children have a much closer relationship with their parents than in the the US. Children in most European cultures spend much more time per week with their parents, and they are subsequently much more likely to cite parents as their main influence, as opposed to American teens, which are more likely to cite their peers as the main influence in their actions.

          This can be attributed to the spead-out American infrastructure, the comparatively high rate of teen car ownership, or America's individualistic culture.

          I didn't read the whole thing, but I'm sure it was also pointless.

          I'm a moderate. I hate bullshit. This is bullshit. Why does everybody have to post this emotionally charged bullshit? Apparently the country I love so much is addicted to hissy fits and screaming matches. Thanks for taking this opportunity to stroke your "righteous" indignation for everybody here on this forum.

          Originally posted by Vedubin01 View Post
          again when the government takes your rights and liberties away, it is next to impossible to ever get them back.
          I do agree with this.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Vedubin01 View Post
            again when the government takes your rights and liberties away, it is next to impossible to ever get them back.

            Republicans: Little Government, Big People



            Democrats: Big Government, Little People



            This means that Democrats believe their should be laws and regulations for most of what people do. This makes it easier to determine what is right and wrong. They believe in Government assistance for most people that are poor. They believe that the federal government should have an active role in how we live our lives.


            Republicans believe that there should be less laws and regulations towards people. They believe that people should be trusted to make the right decisions. They do not believe the government should play a role in our everyday lives. Assistance should be limited.

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              #36
              Jordan325ic

              You are correct in what you say. I agree with the point on how people are brought up in other counties. I posted this to start debate and with debate comes knowledge. I hope people go out and research points of topic. Im not ramming anything down anyone, but allowing people a place to voice ideas and opinions.

              Many don't take the time to truly know what they spew. Its not to point out their deficiencies or lack of knowing but to hope that people will try to back up with fact.



              Not to take away from RobertK's misfortune but I am also dealing with a type of cancer. I have been now for I guess 7 years now. I do not have health insurance. I am what they call Un-insurable or high risk. I had Blue Cross and Blue Shield of FL once but they broke contract and told me to fight them if I wanted to. I tried and don't have the money they do to fight. This is not the governments/peoples fault or problem. ITs big business! I do not expect anyone to be liable for my debts either. You do not ever hear me whine about it. Its just the way life is. I deal with it every day and count on my family and close friends for support.

              My medical debt is a staggering number. Well into the 6 figures. Im debt free other than medical.

              Im a firm believer that big government is just a crutch for those that dont want to work. And those that are in power dont have to follow the rules they set for the ones under them. I feel that everyone stands on their own and comes together because the want to not because they have to.
              Build your own dreams, or someone else will hire you to build theirs!

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                #37
                Originally posted by JPL View Post
                here's the problem with your viewpoint. America was not created to provide you better health, jobs, or better education etc. America was created to protect your right to ethically seek a better life for you and your family, which may or may not include better health, jobs, education etc. i will not presume to know what is best for you. my idea of a strong economy is one in which i work for everything i get and i am proud to do so. if i take out a loan that is stupid and risky and i default, i do not expect you to have to bail me out. if an earthquake levels my house or a bird shits on my car i do not expect you to clean it up either. if you want to help then that's fine, but i will not make you because i have no right to do so.

                i don't support either parties because both expand the government. the only way anyone can get elected now is to promise you the voter a gift from the treasury. we (society) are the problem.
                Amen!

                The only thing I have to add to your statements and Vedubin01's is that don't forget the laws that Bush inherited and the Democratically controlled House. Tax, environmental and regulatory law that has been in place a long time along with the comments above are what really drive any downturn that we are seeing.

                To try and attribute this to Bush is like trying to blame the hurricane on the weatherman.

                And if you do look at Obama's stance on gun control, he is looking to modify the constitution to do what he wants. He wants to give illegals driver's licenses because lack of ID is the problem? Excuse me? lol Wow, that's logic for you.
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                  #38



                  Thread of the fucking year!!!
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                    #39
                    I love to quote what Abraham Lincoln said :
                    "I will pray humbly so we will be in God's side..."

                    Compare to George W Bush who claimed himself as a true christian with his arrogant statement when he attacks Iraq: " God is in our side...",
                    I don't see any word in Bible said that we can dictate God to justify what we act, do you ??

                    Speaking of Christian, I also did not find any word in Bible that Jesus said "Give tax break to rich people only", show me if you find any, please.
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                      #40
                      ????
                      Build your own dreams, or someone else will hire you to build theirs!

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by drift View Post
                        I love to quote what Abraham Lincoln said :
                        "I will pray humbly so we will be in God's side..."

                        Compare to George W Bush who claimed himself as a true christian with his arrogant statement when he attacks Iraq: " God is in our side...",
                        I don't see any word in Bible said that we can dictate God to justify what we act, do you ??

                        Speaking of Christian, I also did not find any word in Bible that Jesus said "Give tax break to rich people only", show me if you find any, please.


                        ????????????????????

                        you think it will better with obama at the helm?????????

                        Look at the drivel he has sat through by his own admission for the last 20 years, the hate an entitlement BS his mentor has spewed out is just outrageous, but is part of the culture he has been "proud" to be a part of for the last 20 years. You have no clue do you.
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                        Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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                          #42
                          One president is not going to be able to enact all the life changing BS you guys are afraid of. If Obama turns into a dictator the world will not come to an end I'll just swim to Cuba.

                          This country needs more government control in business mostly... lets leave alone religion and guns for a while.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Vedubin01 View Post
                            How do you see the United States 3 years from now if [Obama] does win?
                            With no meaningful change in foreign policy, other than tucking back Uncle Sam's sack and "talking" to Mamoud Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong Il, I see a low yield nuclear, "dirty bomb" being set off in one or more American city. Jihadis are already blinded by his name and will realize he's no Muslim soon enough. For this "betrayal" the US will have to pay for electing a false leader. Durka durka Allah akbar Kofta kebab with hummus and tatziki please Blah blah blah.

                            Not having voted on anything meaningful before quitting his freshman Senate post for an early run at the White House, Obama's lack of experience will finally disappoint us all. Unlike Katrina where FEMA and Bush have been endlessly blamed for the suffering of idiots whom did not evacuate as ordered, Obama won't be blamed for being caught with his pants down because the attack will have come with no warning and how could we possibly be preared for so many injured. Well, no warning he'll ever heed. Even now as just a candidate, he's being groomed in what the daily operating procedures are as President... and that includes the President's Daily Briefing with tough, real choices to make on the war, terrorism, and openly unfriendly governments. Obama has aluded to how he will make those decisions easier; by cutting budgets, pulling back forces and tying their hands in the field, and generally ignoring the wisdom and professionalism of career intelligence servants in what he calls "big government."

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                              #44
                              wow carnac that's pretty grim

                              I like how democrats and republicans take turns being totally paranoid
                              Not that I care, of course.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by kylebes1 View Post
                                One president is not going to be able to enact all the life changing BS you guys are afraid of. If Obama turns into a dictator the world will not come to an end I'll just swim to Cuba.

                                This country needs more government control in business mostly... lets leave alone religion and guns for a while.
                                "This country needs more government control in business mostly"

                                oh god please tell me youre kidding. i suppose this mornings news the democrats want the government to take over oil is good news to you?
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