27 years biatch

[rwh11385]

oh trust me,,,,we all know you arent stupid heeter.......but if you did choose to do them you would have no issues using heroin and meth in moderation correct heeter? i mean thats what you are saying right? i just want to be clear

i was talking about alcohol. a lot of people can :drink: without running with all the substances they can abuse like you did.

No one ever said that abstaining is the ONLY viable means. That's not what this thread was about. YOU came in and called everyone who this method HAS worked for a cop out. That's when people got pissed.

No one else said "That's great for you, but that's not the only possible way - just as many people successfully dealt with the issue with moderation and self-control". People were advising younger people who wonder if they have issues (TwoJs) and it seems in the thread that everyone is focused on only one viable option.

Like I said before, just because I got a speeding ticket didn't mean I gave up driving. Going the speed limit and taking a defensive driving course may not be easy if someone likes to go fast but it is possible to deal with that issue. Same with making better choices about drinking.

Whoever mentioned high schoolers probably was getting into a lot of other issues - when kids have emotional problems or have stress at school they look sometimes to alcohol for the solution and that becomes intertwined with the issues of divorce or break-up or whatever may be going on... even if you go cold-turkey on the Wild Turkey - those problems will still be there. Solve the problems, and it's not improbable that disassociated enjoyment of alcohol cannot be done responsibly. The whole ALL OR NOTHING approach is too simplistic to actually be too useful except for people who want to be convinced that, or feel too powerless to handle something in between.

[Farbin Kaiber]

because heeter is battling his dual addictions but is still in the denial stage.
alcohol and cock

Those two go hand in hand. pun not intended.

[blunttech]

How the hell do you know?

because heeter is battling his dual addictions but is still in the denial stage.
alcohol and cock

[Turf1600]

It is true that it takes more strength to moderately drink than to withhold alcohol altogether

How the hell do you know?

[Turf1600]

Heeter - I want to see where your alcoholism goes when your wife leaves you for another woman later on down the road.

PS - I'll put $50 in the drugs for heeter fund.

[rwh11385]

joshh, I'll tell you exactly what you missed. Blunt made a thread about how he's been clean and sober for 27 years, longer than dipshit boy here has been alive, and he had to find a fault with it, saying people who made the decision to stay away from drugs and alcohol altogther are weak, and that it's a cop out for those who can't handle moderation. So his argument is that everyone should be able to do the drugs they once did, just recreationally and in moderation.

My argument is that believing a human is too weak to possibly responsibly control themselves is and abstainment is the ONLY option is weak and causes issues in society. The narrow-minded nature of groups like AA is like a cult and works for some who want to be told they will die if they have another drink but causes undo stress on others or those who want to have faith in themselves.

It is true that it takes more strength to moderately drink than to withhold alcohol altogether and it is a choice not to but believing that is the only way is weaksauce.

my views were not completely alone, just drowned out by the loud group-thinkers

It's interesting that you went to Hazlden Blunt, I attended there also a few years back. I didn't buy into the whole 12 step program, mainly due to the God/higher power/I don't control my life aspect. I'm not saying it doesn't work, I just think its a bit of a cop out.
I'm sure I'd have a different opinion if I was an "addict" but I have no comprehension of that shit, I guess I'm just lucky that I can smoke pot and drink while still living a productive life.

Good job Steve.

Hey, but Josh perhaps you want a forum where EVERYONE is forced to think the exact same way and people who don't buy into it are flamed.

so be it


thought this was america though

[atomic]

Slip heeter a roofie in his next beer, to get that addiction kick started...

[Farbin Kaiber]

I'm already feeling better now...

[blunttech]

oh trust me,,,,we all know you arent stupid heeter.......but if you did choose to do them you would have no issues using heroin and meth in moderation correct heeter? i mean thats what you are saying right? i just want to be clear


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ill make a deal with you heeter. i will pay for a months worth of heroin or meth for you. then you stop back and tell me how that works out for you. let me know how well you controlled it. after all, its just another drug and you are the strong one in this thread.
your logic is comical and shows how totally ignorant you are. and i dont just put cocks on parts. id put one on your forehead in a second. let me know when youre ready to face your problems. ill get you a bed at hazelden
no thanks. I'm not stupid like you nor would do them.

[Jand3rson]

Questioning if an abstainment-only approach is the ONLY viable means for dealing with people with alcohol dependency?

No one ever said that abstaining is the ONLY viable means. That's not what this thread was about. YOU came in and called everyone who this method HAS worked for a cop out. That's when people got pissed.

[rwh11385]

I agree, but we're not talking about me, here. This is another one of your more obnoxious forum qualities, when things start to turn away from your favor, you resort back to old arguments in which you made vaild points, trying to show that you were right at least once, so maybe people will think you've got a leg to stand on here.

Um, re-evaluate the thread and look at what joshh posted. Just like when I posed a question to you there, I am posing one again. Things aren't turning away from me, the idiots are just growing in number and shouting louder.

Dude Stop before you get BANNED from here

For what? Questioning if an abstainment-only approach is the ONLY viable means for dealing with people with alcohol dependency? Are you saying that the administration of this site want the views to be limited to only that of a cult-like program just because some people claim its success?

Maybe Luke aka stereoinstaller can post that evidence he claims to have, but every single thing I've seen has AA not having an improvement of remission than spontaneous but rather sometimes worse.

[franco90]

Banning Heeter does no good, he's exactly like Matthew Mayhem, he just makes up a new screename and re-registers. He's the herpes of R3V.

oh SHIT :nice:

[Jand3rson]

Banning Heeter does no good, he's exactly like Matthew Mayhem, he just makes up a new screename and re-registers. He's the herpes of R3V.

joshh, I'll tell you exactly what you missed. Blunt made a thread about how he's been clean and sober for 27 years, longer than dipshit boy here has been alive, and he had to find a fault with it, saying people who made the decision to stay away from drugs and alcohol altogther are weak, and that it's a cop out for those who can't handle moderation. So his argument is that everyone should be able to do the drugs they once did, just recreationally and in moderation.

[rwh11385]

I don't see the problem here? He has a different opinion. Or did I miss something?

That's a good question. When people feel threatened like I guess the people in this thread do, they huddle together for strength against that threat - which may be a questioning of logic and doctrine.

People devoted to group think feel the need to protect it, apparently.

[franco90]

quite the opposite, but i don't surround myself with idiots so it's hard to get as good as discussions with inept people as on here (or bimmerforums)


no thanks. I'm not stupid like you nor would do them.


Being "outgunned" by idiots is confirming the idea was correct. Look into the politics thread, when a liberal disagrees it affirms it was right. When you look at threads when someone is telling another person not to do a M50 swap on their questionable job security and then months later gets robbed and loses their job and is in distress - damn, you can't say I told you so enough times.

Dude Stop before you get BANNED from here