27 years biatch

[rwh11385]

Well, hey, I wish to hell I had time to continue this discussion...but I am off to win the Springfield City League 8 ball Scotch Double championship with my team...in a bar, where I shall remain sober.

So, yeah, I will check in later and type more stuff for some kid who has never even set foot in an AA meeting to argue with.

Denial: Not just a river in Egypt.

Luke

Maybe it's hard for you as a failure to understand the power of moderation...
so you're brainwashed into thinking everyone has a problem like you.

ironically enough I am watching the south park on scienctology another classic about American brainwashing and cults.

If you dont find the truth in SP, you're a close-minded sheep.

[Dave]

[StereoInstaller1]

Well, hey, I wish to hell I had time to continue this discussion...but I am off to win the Springfield City League 8 ball Scotch Double championship with my team...in a bar, where I shall remain sober.

So, yeah, I will check in later and type more stuff for some kid who has never even set foot in an AA meeting to argue with.

Denial: Not just a river in Egypt.

Luke

[joshh]

And repeating the stuff you got from your cult without any numbers to support yourself because they don't track their failures is stronger?

Cliffnotes is that several studies show AA people do WORSE than nontreated and the methods are the opposite of the best for recovery. The system is set up to keep people thinking they have a problem, not to make them better.

A lot of people in here have in their mind that alcohol is evil and bad and that anyone who enjoys it has a problem. That is just part of the American problem with alcohol - making it out to be taboo. A drinking age of 21 makes it forbidden fruit and any study about drinking and college can say binge drinking occurs frequently. Too much abuse, along with emotional stress and other problems for teenagers probably make this into a larger problem when combined.

Compare this with Germany, which is the 11th heaviest drinking country in the world. Drinking age is 16. Beer is as cheap as water and a part of the culture. But usually people are more moderate and enjoy the experience and taste, not pounding light watery beers to get drink. They consume MUCH more alcohol per year than Americans, yet have a lower alcoholism rate. Hiding from alcohol isn't what's needed, it's reducing pressure to problem drink and believing you can be strong, nor be convinced you are weak. (and handle other issues in society developing from working parents and kids being raised by myspace, MTV, and problem peers)

See at that point (begining of this page) it would have been a good idea to have not posted anything. And just let it die.

[Turf1600]

I <3 this thread

[Jand3rson]

And then when posting pages full of text from the internet still doesn't work, post South Park Episodes.

[Miasma]

Man, Heeter is a person I would not piss on if he was on fire right in front of me. I would laugh and site paragraphs from the intarwebz.

[rwh11385]

2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.

Thats fucking religious.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103677

[blunttech]

It's Heeter, were used to it.

By the way, my uncle was big time alcoholic and AA quite possibly saved his life. Not only from alcohol but from drugs as well. He has been sober for many years now.

we all know someone. watch what happens when heeter has a kid ,god forbid, who gets strung out on meth or coke and see how fast this waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles changes his tune. i truley hope that doesnt happen but hes such a fucking know it all douchebag id be lying if i said i didnt think about it.

Does this guy ever fucking quit?

Remember, its his choice to be a douchenozzle, not an addiction like it may seem. You are weak if you disagree.

It's Heeter, were used to it.

By the way, my uncle was big time alcoholic and AA quite possibly saved his life. Not only from alcohol but from drugs as well. He has been sober for many years now.

[assoutE12]

AA is very specific in NOT having "religious" intent. AA is a spiritual program, very specifically NOT religious.

In fact, that was one of the biggest arguments when the first AA book was being written, primarily by two guys, one who was religious, one who was not.

The non-religious view won.

AA does not judge, does not condone any guilt, or any other condemning attitude...it is not tolerated.

The only thing AA does not tolerate is intolerance.

In fact, if Heeter were to show up at an AA meeting, announce himself as a visitor (no one is required to announce themselves as anything, it is purely voluntary) and proceed to call us all losers, weak and unable to have the willpower to handle drugs and alcohol in moderation, I can tell you EXACTLY what they would tell him...


The entire group would tell him to "keep coming back".


Luke

2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.

Thats fucking religious.

[myinfernalbmw]

Does this guy ever fucking quit?

Remember, its his choice to be a douchenozzle, not an addiction like it may seem. You are weak if you disagree.

[rwh11385]

Nothing gets your point across like an entire page of stuff copied and pasted from the internet.

And repeating the stuff you got from your cult without any numbers to support yourself because they don't track their failures is stronger?

Cliffnotes is that several studies show AA people do WORSE than nontreated and the methods are the opposite of the best for recovery. The system is set up to keep people thinking they have a problem, not to make them better.

A lot of people in here have in their mind that alcohol is evil and bad and that anyone who enjoys it has a problem. That is just part of the American problem with alcohol - making it out to be taboo. A drinking age of 21 makes it forbidden fruit and any study about drinking and college can say binge drinking occurs frequently. Too much abuse, along with emotional stress and other problems for teenagers probably make this into a larger problem when combined.

Compare this with Germany, which is the 11th heaviest drinking country in the world. Drinking age is 16. Beer is as cheap as water and a part of the culture. But usually people are more moderate and enjoy the experience and taste, not pounding light watery beers to get drink. They consume MUCH more alcohol per year than Americans, yet have a lower alcoholism rate. Hiding from alcohol isn't what's needed, it's reducing pressure to problem drink and believing you can be strong, nor be convinced you are weak. (and handle other issues in society developing from working parents and kids being raised by myspace, MTV, and problem peers)

[thull]

It is a matter of willpower.

Some people gain power through AA, some people gain power through other means.

Every time I have quit for an extended period of time, it was because I wanted to. Much like AA-style meetings, I chose to associate with other peers of the same goalset, helping me to avoid drugs/alcohol because the group mindset was against it.

The social parameters are a huge reason why alcohol and nicotine are so addictive - put a smoker/drinker in a room full of sober people and they are certainly less likely to start up.

--

Congrats Blunt - you have been sober longer than I have been alive

[Jand3rson]

Nothing gets your point across like an entire page of stuff copied and pasted from the internet.