Bush Impeachment Hearing

[uofom3]

LOL

You've been out of school for a whole YEAR, and you have the balls to call ME ignorant?

Have fun registering for the draft, and remember: You voted for the crazy old fucker. ;-)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

Experience counts for a whole hell of a lot, no question. I'm reminded of that daily.

BUT, in this case, your argument is based on "fuck you i'm older i know more" and then you trash education on that topic. That just doesn't hold a hell of a lot of water.

[uofom3]

I know a place that's having a sale on tinfoil hats.

You need to stock up, college.

I'm curious what axe you have to grind with higher education? You stated you left college early, either that or you graduated in three years which would be an accomplishment. I have a good friend who left school to work for his dad because school just wasn't doin it for him, and he had a family business to take over, so cost benefit analysis would say that his time would be better spent learning the business and generating revenue than pissing it away in some 102 biology class about ground squirrels. It was the best decision he made - but he still regrets not finishing his degree.

The quote "education is a crutch with which the foolish attack the wise to prove they are not idiots" holds true in a number of situations; particularly in business. But, in a discipline like economics or sciences - the book education is very important to understand application. Merely participating in the activity doesn't mean that a person has an overwhelming grasp on the topic compared to someone who has been school in it; sciences being a major example of that.

Heeter, no matter how abrasive his tactics may be, is very very knowledgeable with economics. I'd rather listen to someone who knows, to a function/proof level, why they say what they say.

[uofom3]

Education comment was headed towards teh urb4n h33t3r.

In regards to economics,
I have no doubts that in terms of pure performance the conservative approach will undoubtedly surpass the liberals approach. I just think that we have a complete and total fucktard ruining this country at the moment and whether partisan or un-partisan you should notice that.

+1. The premise of my argument here is not hat bush is a fucking genius, it's that people blame him for EVERYTHING. NO ONE has that kind of power, not even the president. is he a genius? Absolutely not. Not even close. BUT, he is not the SOUL problem here. I just find it hard to believe that no one who is liberal can say "ok, he has conceded that he's not the greatest thing since sliced bread and has problems... so what about our party?" I just don't see any introspection right now comming from people who are arguing against bush. I mean shit, half of the arguments that heeter and others have made go directly against policies that bush has put in place.

Back to the economy:
If your absolute goal is to make money or if you think there is more to life, that you can only answer with some soul searching. No question that intelligent conservatives could do a great job with the economy, most neo-economists think that way.

But you know what? I don't care to making a shit ton of money, drive a big SUV, have a 4000 sq ft home with A/C blasting all day long, and I don't care to waste natural resources either. I believe this route leads to isolationism, destruction of our home planet and the oppression of the poor as economically speaking it isn't feasible to have this lifestyle without an important seperation of wealth.

I'd rather live a bit more close and in-tune with the earth, make enough money to feed my family and offer them a decent life.

And that is why I am a liberal.

Julien

That is a very well stated an honorable argument. It all depends on what makes you happy. Honestly, I don't think your lifestyle would be what I want for my life and family, but that doesn't make yours right or mine right - it's just a difference of opinion. It doesn't matter either way - the beauty of the situation is that we can both chose to life our lives how we see fit independently of each other.

I think that you can have a "neo-conservative" economic model and live your life more the way that you're discussing at the same time. In fact, to live the lifestyle that you state is your chosen route in life, you have to make some financial decisions that are at least quasi-rooted in "true" conservatism... not the spending habbits of the current administration.

[Lair]

I know a place that's having a sale on tinfoil hats.

You need to stock up, college.

[rwh11385]

LOL

You've been out of school for a whole YEAR, and you have the balls to call ME ignorant?

Have fun registering for the draft, and remember: You voted for the crazy old fucker. ;-)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

Well you're not exactly correct.

And yes. You are flamingly ignorant, as fellow members older than myself can attest to.

Better voting for him than being like you and voting for socialism.

[Lair]

LOL

You've been out of school for a whole YEAR, and you have the balls to call ME ignorant?

Have fun registering for the draft, and remember: You voted for the crazy old fucker. ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

[rwh11385]

I just hate ignorance, and you are the king of it.

I doubt we are going to invade Iran. I highly doubt there will ever be a draft again. And I would probably be better for work in the DoD like I got an offer for rather than in the army now.

[Lair]

stupid people like you supporting bad policies.

I'm starting to think you're just an unhappy little asshole.

BTW, how do you feel about McCain's Iran threats? You do understand that when he invades Iran, you'll be one of the first people to hit the draft, right?

[rwh11385]

Education comment was headed towards teh urb4n h33t3r.

In regards to economics,
I have no doubts that in terms of pure performance the conservative approach will undoubtedly surpass the liberals approach. I just think that we have a complete and total fucktard ruining this country at the moment and whether partisan or un-partisan you should notice that.

Well, at least you are not a complete dumbass.

Back to the economy:
If your absolute goal is to make money or if you think there is more to life, that you can only answer with some soul searching. No question that intelligent conservatives could do a great job with the economy, most neo-economists think that way.

But you know what? I don't care to making a shit ton of money, drive a big SUV, have a 4000 sq ft home with A/C blasting all day long, and I don't care to waste natural resources either. I believe this route leads to isolationism, destruction of our home planet and the oppression of the poor as economically speaking it isn't feasible to have this lifestyle without an important seperation of wealth.

I'd rather live a bit more close and in-tune with the earth, make enough money to feed my family and offer them a decent life.

And that is why I am a liberal.

Julien

That's your life philosophy and that's fine. No one is telling you that you have to live otherwise. Actually, living within your means and not surrendering to consumerism may be great to not spending more than you have and giving back to the community while you focus on what you do not what you have and the people around you.

Not sure if you know that in the 80s during the yuppie era, there was also a lot of donations too. The notion that private parties perform more efficiently doesn't mean everyone needs to spend, spend, spend and not care about anything but money. A growing number of companies in the US or elsewhere feel a need to be responsible to their communities and care even if it doesn't make bottom-line sense.

But equal distribution of wealth, if that what you meant by not using the poor, doesn't work.

[Julien]

Just because you have the degree doesn't mean you learned anything.

Pus, I know what Business school teaches about economics. They normally teach the Keynesian theory which, quite bluntly, has it wrong. But it is in favor with most professors since it preaches to their agenda of socialism.

Plenty of good people out there are horribly misguided about politics, money, and economics. (Go and read that link on Mises that I put up earlier.) Good people with good intentions. They think that helping their fellow man with handouts is the highest calling in society. They think the best way to do that is via the government. Of course, that is the absolute worst way to do it. These people also feel that you should feel guilty for working hard and making lots of money. They think that it is your responsibility to give that money to others. It is frightening. Even Lair goes out and makes his own money on his own. I really wonder what tune he will be singing when it becomes a crime to make more than the average?

A good friend told me how good redistribution of wealth is and how it is good that the government does it. He is a good and smart person. He is so horribly misguided and really can't understand it when I tell him that although his thoughts are laudable, he is doing the worst possible thing that he can if he really wants to help people.

Obama offers the path to socialism. Socialism is the path to a totalitarian government. If you don't like the Bush terrorist monitoring tactics, just wait until we have a run of Obama for 8 years and whatever whacko he has chooses for vice for another 8 years. There will be real government agents sifting through all your stuff all the time not just people imagining that there are. Why? Because personal privacy won't work in a socialist regime.

Education comment was headed towards teh urb4n h33t3r.

In regards to economics,
I have no doubts that in terms of pure performance the conservative approach will undoubtedly surpass the liberals approach. I just think that we have a complete and total fucktard ruining this country at the moment and whether partisan or un-partisan you should notice that.

Back to the economy:
If your absolute goal is to make money or if you think there is more to life, that you can only answer with some soul searching. No question that intelligent conservatives could do a great job with the economy, most neo-economists think that way.

But you know what? I don't care to making a shit ton of money, drive a big SUV, have a 4000 sq ft home with A/C blasting all day long, and I don't care to waste natural resources either. I believe this route leads to isolationism, destruction of our home planet and the oppression of the poor as economically speaking it isn't feasible to have this lifestyle without an important seperation of wealth.

I'd rather live a bit more close and in-tune with the earth, make enough money to feed my family and offer them a decent life.

And that is why I am a liberal.

Julien

[rwh11385]

What do you see wrong with the economy?

stupid people like you supporting bad policies.

and stupider people taking out loans they can't afford, buying shit they don't need... and not saving anything.

and the kids who don't need to push themselves and aren't making the most of their education and then not being productive. there are many foreigners coming here to get a quality US education, and some of our own kids aren't taking advantage of that and spending their time playing frisbee in the quad and then mooching.

If we all find out what we are good at and stick to that, and move to the industries that need us instead of being frustrated when situations change... then we can stop wasting time boo-hooing the way markets are.

edit: Roll through the ghetto... well, anywhere near where you live, and look what is around.
Payday loan centers, gun stores, liquor stores that cash checks, H&R block to get your tax refund check instantly, ads for get rich quick real estate or wholesale catalog plans, etc...

[Lair]

That's not massaging numbers, unless you are purposefully telling that to uneducated people who don't know the difference.

Of course median is lower than mean. We have a lot of people with low to mid incomes and a few outliers with massive incomes, like movie/sport stars, CEOs, whatever. The mean is going to be the mix of a low and really high to be little higher than average, but the majority of the others are middle, so that will be the median.

Right, and when the administration and all the rightie nutjob sources tout the "top 50% of wage earners", they're referring to households that manage to bring in a whopping $29K or more per year.

That's not massaging numbers either.

[Turf1600]

Can someone end this? It's just a pissing match at this point.

[rwh11385]

Can I also see the national deficit and debt numbers? Is American actually creating wealth or is it just spending (ie: GDP) borrowed money?

Only if you dig up the numbers on the socialist-esque european economies and how much deficit they are running to keep health care paid for...

you have like 7.5% unemploymentin France... weak

[Lair]

Just because you have the degree doesn't mean you learned anything.

Pus, I know what Business school teaches about economics. They normally teach the Keynesian theory which, quite bluntly, has it wrong. But it is in favor with most professors since it preaches to their agenda of socialism.

Plenty of good people out there are horribly misguided about politics, money, and economics. (Go and read that link on Mises that I put up earlier.) Good people with good intentions. They think that helping their fellow man with handouts is the highest calling in society. They think the best way to do that is via the government. Of course, that is the absolute worst way to do it. These people also feel that you should feel guilty for working hard and making lots of money. They think that it is your responsibility to give that money to others. It is frightening. Even Lair goes out and makes his own money on his own. I really wonder what tune he will be singing when it becomes a crime to make more than the average?

A good friend told me how good redistribution of wealth is and how it is good that the government does it. He is a good and smart person. He is so horribly misguided and really can't understand it when I tell him that although his thoughts are laudable, he is doing the worst possible thing that he can if he really wants to help people.

Obama offers the path to socialism. Socialism is the path to a totalitarian government. If you don't like the Bush terrorist monitoring tactics, just wait until we have a run of Obama for 8 years and whatever whacko he has chooses for vice for another 8 years. There will be real government agents sifting through all your stuff all the time not just people imagining that there are. Why? Because personal privacy won't work in a socialist regime.

Make sure your cat has one too.