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    Laptop seizures at customs raise outcry



    Complaints from travelers and privacy advocates have spurred lawmakers to challenge the policy of random inspections.

    By Jim Puzzanghera, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

    June 26, 2008
    WASHINGTON -- Bill Hogan was returning home to the U.S. from Germany in February when a customs agent at Dulles International Airport pulled him aside. He could reenter the country, she told him. But his laptop couldn't.

    U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents said he had been chosen for "random inspection of electronic media," and kept his computer for about two weeks, recalled Hogan, 55, a freelance journalist from Falls Church, Va.


    Fortunately, it was a spare computer that had little important information. But Hogan felt violated.

    "It's not an inspection. It's a seizure," he said. "What do they do with it? I assume they just copy everything."

    For several years, U.S. officials have been searching and seizing laptops, digital cameras, cellphones and other electronic devices at the border with few publicly released details.

    Complaints from travelers and privacy advocates have spurred some lawmakers to fight the U.S. Customs policy and to consider sponsoring legislation that would sharply limit the practice.

    As people store more and more information electronically, the debate hinges on whether searching a laptop is like looking in your luggage or more like a strip search.

    "Customs agents must have the ability to conduct even highly intrusive searches when there is reason to suspect criminal or terrorist activity, but suspicion-less searches of Americans' laptops and similar devices go too far," said Sen. Russell D. Feingold (D-Wis.), who chairs a subcommittee that examined the searches at a hearing Wednesday. "Congress should not allow this gross violation of privacy."

    Authorities need a search warrant to get at a computer in a person's home and reasonable suspicion of illegal activity to search a laptop in other places. But the rules change at border crossings.

    Courts consistently have ruled that there's no need for warrants or suspicions when a person is seeking to enter the country -- agents can search belongings, including computer gear, for any reason.

    The latest decision was from the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, which in April ruled that agents had acted properly when turning over information used to charge a traveler with possession of child pornography. His laptop had been searched in 2005 at Los Angeles International Airport.

    Any routine search is considered "reasonable" under the 4th Amendment, legal scholars agree. But Feingold is worried that the law has not kept up with technology.

    Said Lee Tien, senior staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, "People keep their lives on these devices: diaries, personal mail, financial records, family photos. . . . The government should not be able to read this information."

    In February, the group and the Asian Law Caucus sued authorities for more information about the program.

    The issue is of particular concern for businesses, which risk the loss of proprietary data when executives travel abroad, said Susan K. Gurley, executive director of the Assn. of Corporate Travel Executives. After the California court ruling, the group warned its members to limit the business and personal information they carry on laptops taken out of the country.

    Of the 100 people who responded to a survey the association did in February, seven said they had been subject to the seizure of a laptop or other electronic device.

    Jayson P. Ahern, deputy commissioner of Customs and Border Protection, said in written testimony to the subcommittee that the agency would "protect information that may be discovered during the examination process, as well as private information of a personal nature that is not in violation of any law." The agency conducts "a regular review and purging of information that is no longer relevant."

    Feingold said the testimony gave "little meaningful detail" about the program. He is considering legislation to prohibit such routine searches of electronic devices without reasonable suspicion.

    But Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) said officials have to balance individual rights with protecting the nation.

    "Terrorists take advantage of this kind of technology," he said.

    Hogan, the freelance journalist, said there was no reason for customs agents to think he was a terrorist. He advised people to take precautions with their laptops when they leave the country.

    "I certainly would never take it again," he said.

    jim.puzzanghera @latimes.com

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    #2
    One of these days I'm going to walk into the airport wearing a thong and a smile.

    Bush's thugs would probably want to do a BCS if I did.

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      #3
      wtf, if you speak out against it, you are told that terrorists will blow everything up if we dont look an see what YOU have been doing with YOUR computer.
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        #4
        This is why I would password protect EVERYTHING if I were going through customs. Have a hd password and a bios password and then have it set up so that each password was different and at least 32-bit random generated.
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          #5
          I understand and agree we need to secure our borders but I think there is something wrong with "random" checks.

          If a person is not suspected of being a criminal or terrorist why do they need to waste resources on their laptop?

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            #6
            2 weeks ago i flew out of minneapolis with 2 large screwdrivers, an ohm meter with wires hanging out of it and a distributor for an 02 in my carry on. they xrayed the bag and pulled it and me aside and asked me what i had in my bag. i told them 2 screwdrivers and an ohm meter and they let me go with my tools. i seriously didnt think about it until i was pulled aside and then i was amazed they let me go with it
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              #7
              Originally posted by blunt View Post
              2 weeks ago i flew out of minneapolis with 2 large screwdrivers, an ohm meter with wires hanging out of it and a distributor for an 02 in my carry on. they xrayed the bag and pulled it and me aside and asked me what i had in my bag. i told them 2 screwdrivers and an ohm meter and they let me go with my tools. i seriously didnt think about it until i was pulled aside and then i was amazed they let me go with it

              But they take away nail clippers.

              Amazing

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                #8
                Originally posted by parkerbink View Post
                But they take away nail clippers.

                Amazing
                that happend to my dad. he through a shit fit about it becasue they make you go back out side again and mail it to your self. then you have to wait in line all over again. TSA= thoughs, stupid, assholes

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by parkerbink View Post
                  But they take away nail clippers.

                  Amazing

                  and toss out the bottle of h20 that the gate attendant watched you get out of the vending machine right by the gate. The guy said I know I saw, but you cant take it on the plane.,
                  Originally posted by Fusion
                  If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                  The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


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                  Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by blunt View Post
                    2 weeks ago i flew out of minneapolis with 2 large screwdrivers, an ohm meter with wires hanging out of it and a distributor for an 02 in my carry on. they xrayed the bag and pulled it and me aside and asked me what i had in my bag. i told them 2 screwdrivers and an ohm meter and they let me go with my tools. i seriously didnt think about it until i was pulled aside and then i was amazed they let me go with it


                    Good thing you didn't have your 2dub co-pilot with you.
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                      #11
                      you guys do know that Customs and the TSA are two different entities. I have worked for the TSA since day one and you would not believe some of the stupid shit I have seen done to passengers. I heard about the laptop thing a while back as well. It sucks but by law they can do it.

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                        #12
                        Also keep in mind that joining he TSA is the worst decision I have ever made. But at the time it seemed right. Let me get my Flame Suit on :)

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                          #13
                          How do you keep from being drunk with power?

                          I'd be stripping hot chicks left & right.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Lair View Post
                            How do you keep from being drunk with power?

                            I'd be stripping hot chicks left & right.
                            power? we have no authority of any kind.

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                              #15
                              That's not what I heard:

                              CBS2 Chicago has a good roundup on the trend to "X-rated" TSA searches at airports wherein travellers are forced to strip in public, remove their nipple rings; a child amputee recounts the humiliation of having to endure a full pat-down every time she flies:
                              In Chicago, people like Robert Perry are subjected to exhaustive security checks. He was patted down, his wheel chair was examined and his hands were swabbed, all in public view in a see-through room at the security checkpoint. Perry, 71, is not alone
                              "It's humiliation," Perry said.

                              Perry was also taken to a see-through room by a TSA agent when his artificial knee set off the metal detector.

                              "He yelled at me to get the belt off. 'I told you to get the belt off.' So I took the belt off. He ran his hands down over and pulled the pants down, they went down around my ankle," Perry said.

                              At that point, Perry was standing in his underwear in public view. He asked to see a supervisor. That made things worse.

                              "She was yelling 'I have power, I have power, I have power," Perry said. The power to stop him from flying to Florida with his wife that day to celebrate their 50th wedding anniversary.
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