Who has more experience? Palin or Obama?

[Dave]

For once, I agree with Bill O'Reilly . . . if he would be intellectually honest and apply his logic to the secessionist VP candidate, that is . . .

On the pinhead front, 16-year-old Jamie Lynn Spears is pregnant. The sister of Britney says she is shocked. I bet.

Now most teens are pinheads in some ways. But here the blame falls primarily on the parents of the girl, who obviously have little control over her or even over Britney Spears. Look at the way she behaves.

[Lair]

So basically you're saying you have lost. Just because you and others think (without comprehension of economics) that Bush was responsible for "screwing up the economy", doesn't mean you're right.

Ban we ban you now?

No.

What I'm saying is I don't care what you think. Just because you and others think Bush isn't responsible doesn't mean he isn't.

You want to ban me because I disagree with you?

That's very republican of you.

[Lair]

I don't blame everything on the president - just the bad economy and the war in Iraq and the rise in the teen birth rate and the erosion of our privacy and the erosion of our rights and the erosion of our political standing in the world and the continued freedom of Bin Laden and a few dozen other things.

But not EVERYTHING.

[Pinepig]

The American public is highly gullible when it comes to the news and highly uneducated when it comes to economics. If the media says the economy is worse, that is what the drones will believe. Like you.

You're not arguing with points to back you up, you are proving much of the nation is as ignorant as you.

Now that should leave a mark.:pimp:

[rwh11385]

Why should i waste any more time?

It doesn't matter what I post - it's just going to earn me some more derision, name-calling, and poo-flinging.

I've made the point that I'm not the only person who holds Bush and his f'ed up policies responsible for our f'ed up economy.

Frankly, I don't care if that's not good enough for you.

So basically you're saying you have lost. Just because you and others think (without comprehension of economics) that Bush was responsible for "screwing up the economy", doesn't mean you're right.

Ban we ban you now?

[rwh11385]

It's a Bloomberg poll, Piney.

I didn't expect you to notice that before you started beating down my source.

The American public is highly gullible when it comes to the news and highly uneducated when it comes to economics. If the media says the economy is worse, that is what the drones will believe. Like you.

You're not arguing with points to back you up, you are proving much of the nation is as ignorant as you.

[nando]

It's a Bloomberg poll, Piney.

I didn't expect you to notice that before you started beating down my source.

where's the poll for people who think the earth is at the center of the universe and flat? where's the poll for people who think canada is the 51st state? Where's the poll for people who think milk comes from the grocery store (rather than a cow) and that immunizations cause autism? How about a poll for cell phones causing cancer?

basically, a poll that says people believe something doesn't make it true. the best part is you think we're all bush lovers - but the reality is, burying your head in the sand and blaming everything on the president is both ignorant and dangerous.

correlation does not equal causation ;)

[rwh11385]

I've only taken one Economics course last year and only a sophmore, so hopefully this makes some sense.

Thinking about things logically I'm more inclined to agree with you Heeter, because if it were as bad as the news said it is, I probably wouldn't have the leisure of posting on this board and neither would many of us. But I don't think its as good as you says it is. What about the Fed lowering interest rates several times late last year and early this year? And they weren't holding back, they were slashing them by 75 points. Surely that's an indicator things aren't great. I think they were trying to encourage banks to borrow, so that banks would loan more money to people. But that didn't work and indirectly weakened the dollar. IIRC around this time is when the Euro began to gain.

And wasn't Bush's economic stimulus plan his solution to the decline in GDP. Obviously it didn't work because most people used the money to pay off debt.

We aren't on the verge of becoming a third world country, but I don't think we got it as good as you and many others think we do.

I didn't like that the Fed cut interest rates and as you said, thought it was going to negatively affect the dollar. However, it seems to have helped the slowdown perhaps, and not done the dollar so badly - BUT a lot of that could be economic downturn in Europe because of high energy/commodity prices, etc.

Bush's economic stimulus tax plan worked well and I have been following it ever since I first read about the increase in business investment. The tax refund was a little hokey at best, but whatever. Americans were bitching a fit and government caved. (A lot of Americans believe stupid media and aren't educated in economics as parkerbink and Lair demonstrate, so they complain and screw shit up with their ignorance)

I could go into more depth on my views of globalization's impact (why it sucks to be unskilled).

Like DarkWing said, don't bust out the champagne for .9 and 3.3% growth, but certainly cook up some crow for ALL the recession talkers. We're fine, and it wasn't Booooosh's fault, and the pendulum should hopefully swing our way now with globalization. We're highly skilled and highly productive... as emerging economies grow, they'll become our customers instead of a place to outsource our jobs for cheap. (Doesn't necessarily eliminate jobs, just makes new ones. Classic Ricardian.

If you want to see a fucked economy, vote for Obama to screw us royally and then proceed to have Republicans for years and years. JIMMAH CARTARRR

[Lair]

Please explain your stance that that poll agrees with. Try to go beyond things like "Bush is a tool and it is all his fault" or a picture with him, a bag of money, and oil spurting up in the background.

Why should i waste any more time?

It doesn't matter what I post - it's just going to earn me some more derision, name-calling, and poo-flinging.

I've made the point that I'm not the only person who holds Bush and his f'ed up policies responsible for our f'ed up economy.

Frankly, I don't care if that's not good enough for you.

[Pinepig]

It's a Bloomberg poll, Piney.

I didn't expect you to notice that before you started beating down my source.

It's still a fucking poll.

If I started a topic here on r3v that asked if Lair was a douche bag and everybody except two folks voted yes would that make it true. Ok bad example.....

[DarkWing6]

Please explain your stance that that poll agrees with. Try to go beyond things like "Bush is a tool and it is all his fault" or a picture with him, a bag of money, and oil spurting up in the background.

[Lair]

I apologize for finding a poll that agrees with my stance.

I'll try to find something else. :rofl:

[DarkWing6]

You can blame whatever factors fit into your agenda, but most of the country agrees with me.

Most of the country needs Bush's stupid "no child left behind" joke to graduate from high school too. Quit going with the "popular vote" and think for yourself. You have yet to show us thinking for yourself. Seeing a poll that shows that 75% of people (most probably couldn't spell policy let along know what Bush's policies are) don't like Bush's policies and agree with you doesn't show thinking for yourself. A post longer than 2-3 sentences that doesn't include a quote from an outside source would be a great start.


And red, you are probably partially right. I don't think Heater is trying to come across saying that our country is in rosie shape and we should all go out and buy another plasma TV and top of the tank in our SUV. More so, he is pushing the idea that the state of the economy is not solely on the shoulders of President Bush. There are plenty of outside factors like globalization and the rise of countries like India that level the playing field a little bit and have been taking a piece of our pie. 9/11 and Katrina didn't help either.

I also don't believe Bush thought the stimulus was supposed to be the end all be all solution to the economy. It was supposed to help. I think it was kinda stupid in the first place, but whatever the few hundred bucks was alright to help fund my trip to NY. :D

[Lair]

It's a Bloomberg poll, Piney.

I didn't expect you to notice that before you started beating down my source.

[Pinepig]

All I'm saying is that Bush and his policies (or lack of them) are directly responsible for what's happening with our economy.

You can blame whatever factors fit into your agenda, but most of the country agrees with me. There are reams of evidence and plenty of economists who agree with me also.

I'm not saying that anyone on the planet is more qualified than heater, but there MIGHT be someone out there who knows more about the subject than he does. ;)



http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun...ness/fi-poll26

So after all the facts and figures you are going to back your argument up with a fucking poll from the LA times.

BEST LAIR LOGIC EVAR.