Who has more experience? Palin or Obama?

[rwh11385]

This is an excerpt from Kerry's speech...

Hillary Clinton summed up this thread nicely: "I know Sen. McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Sen. Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."

To Lair I say well said. I too while not an econ major, have lived and handled my economic situation for longer than RWH has been alive, the arrogance you present is mind boggling Bobby.

I take from the fact that you ignored my questions vis a vis do you 100% support yourself to mean the answer is no. That is ok, but how dare you say a person that has lived in the world on their own hard work does not know what is and what is not the reality of our situation is very amusing to say the least.

Confidence in my education and annoyance when people clueless on a subject try to say they know what is going on.

Have my med, dent, life, auto insurance covered. I am currently waiting on the right house to purchase, but my realtor have found me a few I've been interested in. Sorry I didn't instantly become a home owner on graduation day...

[rwh11385]

I don't get my economic opinions from the news.

I get them from my bank account. Every time I pay $80 to fill up my car, or $4 for a gallon of milk, or $350 for the month's power bill, or watch my 401K shrink another 10%, it's an indictator that things aren't going well.

I can see it right in front of my face, so stop acting like I don't know wtf I'm talking about.

Back in your day, a candy bar was $0.05!!

Min wage was also $1 in 1967... it's now $6.55, nearing $7.25.

You're a special kind of moonbat.

[parkerbink]

This is an excerpt from Kerry's speech at the DNC. I checked and verified the flip flops he sites are correct. How do you respond to a man that is now saying his own bills and the things he voted for are wrong?

Do we want a President that calls himself irresponsible?

"I have known and been friends with John McCain for almost 22 years, but every day now I learn something new about Candidate McCain," Kerry said. "To those who still believe in the myth of a 'maverick,' instead of the reality of a politician, I say, let's compare Senator McCain to Candidate McCain. Candidate McCain now supports the very war-time tax cuts that Senator McCain once called 'irresponsible.' Candidate McCain criticizes Senator McCain's own climate change bill. Candidate McCain says he would vote against the immigration bill that Senator McCain wrote. Are you kidding me, folks? Talk about being for it before you were against it. Let me tell you, before he ever debates Barack Obama, John McCain should finish the debate with himself."

To Lair I say well said. I too while not an econ major, have lived and handled my economic situation for longer than RWH has been alive, the arrogance you present is mind boggling Bobby.

I take from the fact that you ignored my questions vis a vis do you 100% support yourself to mean the answer is no. That is ok, but how dare you say a person that has lived in the world on their own hard work does not know what is and what is not the reality of our situation is very amusing to say the least.

Reminds me of the Mark Twain quote:

"When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."

Come back in a few years.

[Lair]

Heh, I got that you were being sarcastic and weren't really paying me compliments or asking for help... (even though you really did needed it) you thought you knew what was up even if you had no idea about economics but still commenting on the economy because you heard it on the news and proclaimed it without understanding...

Or was that a joke too? Are you clueless or just play it online? I've been trying to figure out the same thing with Lair too. Is he really that stupid, or just being a great troll.

It's too bad the media doesn't want to push forward numbers with context. But then again, people wouldn't listen as much if they heard things were going fine. Doom and gloom gets more viewers. OMG 25% VALUE LOST IN THE USD IN 8 YEARS!!!! I need to know more on this subject!

I don't get my economic opinions from the news.

I get them from my bank account. Every time I pay $80 to fill up my car, or $4 for a gallon of milk, or $350 for the month's power bill, or watch my 401K shrink another 10%, it's an indictator that things aren't going well.

I can see it right in front of my face, so stop acting like I don't know wtf I'm talking about.

[Lair]

so Parkerbink and Lair, weren't you both arguing that McCain, in the bottom of his class at the Academy but with a wealth of experience detailed in way too many other threads, is inferior to Obama because Obama's got a degree but no experience?

Also, I don't think you quite get what the Naval Academy is all about, and how it equips those that come from it. The whole institution is centered around producing leaders who will make ethical decisions under high stress. McCain then had ample time and opportunity to practice this while sitting on his ass (by choice, as to not destroy the spirit of his other POW's) in the Hanoi Hilton. Sorry to beat the drum again, but you both should know better if you indeed have so much "life experience".

And Lair, for someone who talks about how much he respects the military, you don't show that respect to one of the country's most recognizable war heroes.

I'll ask again.. what has Obama ever given up for the country?

I appreciate McCain's service to his country. His family is a long time military family, and he did what he was expected to do. He's to be commended for putting his ass on the line.

I have a problem with all the things McCain did AFTER the war.

You know, like when he left his crippled wife and three kids for a young, rich, blonde drug addict, and when he got caught in the middle of the Keating Savings & Loan scandal, and when he started pushing war 24/7 and huge tax cuts for the super rich.

I won't even try to document the enormous number of flip-flops he's executed since he started this run for the White House. He's flopped on EVERY SINGLE MAJOR ISSUE, and most of the minor ones. Some of the issues have seen him flop more than once. It's odd that you McCain fans crucified John Kerry for his supposed flip flops, but you think it's an excellent trait now that McSame is doing it every 5 minutes.


His VP choice should seal the deal for any sane, rational human being.

He's not what this country needs in a leader.

[rwh11385]

Apparently they did not teach you sarcasm.

Heh, I got that you were being sarcastic and weren't really paying me compliments or asking for help... (even though you really did needed it) you thought you knew what was up even if you had no idea about economics but still commenting on the economy because you heard it on the news and proclaimed it without understanding...

Or was that a joke too? Are you clueless or just play it online? I've been trying to figure out the same thing with Lair too. Is he really that stupid, or just being a great troll.

It's too bad the media doesn't want to push forward numbers with context. But then again, people wouldn't listen as much if they heard things were going fine. Doom and gloom gets more viewers. OMG 25% VALUE LOST IN THE USD IN 8 YEARS!!!! I need to know more on this subject!

[parkerbink]

Hey, so is there no witty retort or response to my quick lesson on international monetary issues? (And how what you blamed on Bush really had little to do with him?)

Let me know if I can further supplement your years of experience with some education in economics so you don't come off as a clueless old fart.

Unfortunately, many Americans are mislead by the media or politicians because they don't understand economics... I guess it helps democrats though

Apparently they did not teach you sarcasm.

[rwh11385]

Really?

Please expound your amazing understanding of the world. I am sorry I was so badly mislead by the media and thought the rise in the price of imported goods reflected the value of the dollar against world markets.

Please continue my education, I am unworthy but hope you will understand and take pity on me.

Hey, so is there no witty retort or response to my quick lesson on international monetary issues? (And how what you blamed on Bush really had little to do with him?)

Let me know if I can further supplement your years of experience with some education in economics so you don't come off as a clueless old fart.

Unfortunately, many Americans are mislead by the media or politicians because they don't understand economics... I guess it helps democrats though

[Pinepig]

What did Bush give up for the country?

Well cocaine for one.

Otehnoos he's just like Bush.

[parkerbink]

so Parkerbink and Lair, weren't you both arguing that McCain, in the bottom of his class at the Academy but with a wealth of experience detailed in way too many other threads, is inferior to Obama because Obama's got a degree but no experience?

Also, I don't think you quite get what the Naval Academy is all about, and how it equips those that come from it. The whole institution is centered around producing leaders who will make ethical decisions under high stress. McCain then had ample time and opportunity to practice this while sitting on his ass (by choice, as to not destroy the spirit of his other POW's) in the Hanoi Hilton. Sorry to beat the drum again, but you both should know better if you indeed have so much "life experience".

And Lair, for someone who talks about how much he respects the military, you don't show that respect to one of the country's most recognizable war heroes.

I'll ask again.. what has Obama ever given up for the country?

I made no references to McCain outside of his 90% conformity to Bush's objectives.

I also think he has pulled the POW card much too much. I know he was a POW, I am sorry he was a POW and I think he should stop bringing it up.


What did Bush give up for the country?

[Pinepig]

I'll ask again.. what has Obama ever given up for the country?

Well cocaine for one.

[Ral]

so Parkerbink and Lair, weren't you both arguing that McCain, in the bottom of his class at the Academy but with a wealth of experience detailed in way too many other threads, is inferior to Obama because Obama's got a degree but no experience?

Also, I don't think you quite get what the Naval Academy is all about, and how it equips those that come from it. The whole institution is centered around producing leaders who will make ethical decisions under high stress. McCain then had ample time and opportunity to practice this while sitting on his ass (by choice, as to not destroy the spirit of his other POW's) in the Hanoi Hilton. Sorry to beat the drum again, but you both should know better if you indeed have so much "life experience".

And Lair, for someone who talks about how much he respects the military, you don't show that respect to one of the country's most recognizable war heroes.

I'll ask again.. what has Obama ever given up for the country?

[Lair]

I've always been special.

[Pinepig]

I don't know what Lair logic is

It's easy to explain.

[rwh11385]

Really?

Please expound your amazing understanding of the world. I am sorry I was so badly mislead by the media and thought the rise in the price of imported goods reflected the value of the dollar against world markets.

Please continue my education, I am unworthy but hope you will understand and take pity on me.

If you wanted to talk about the strength of the US dollar when trading, you should be looking at the US Dollar Index, not the inflation rate. This will let you get an idea of our inflation rate compared to other countries, as well as the demand for other currencies.

Since the creation of the Euro, there has been devaluation of the dollar because there was a replacement for the USD as a go between on transactions. The dollar is still heavily used and in demand, a lot of that is because of oil, so in the future the effect should be not as great as in the past several years.

Besides Southern Asia, I cannot think of another collection of countries that would all use the same currency, so hopefully the USD will still be needed to be traded by globally. Since you can't really have the same Euro effect again with Euro (besides adding a few more countries that don't trade nearly as much as Germany, France, Spain) there shouldn't be more devaluation in the future because of this reason.

If you look at the USD index recently, it has jumped. This is in part because of economic problems in Europe, in part due to oil prices that we are facing as well. They have the issue of having to stick to the same interest rate regardless of what each country is facing. One may be facing recession and want low interest rates and another may want high rates to curb inflation. This is why the UK left the Euro Currency Board and probably won't be back.

The US has an ideal monetary union of great size and doesn't suffer the same difficulties of sharing an interest rate across national borders.

Also, if the USD kept climbing forever, it would be unlikely that many could be afforded to be hired here. The drop in market value of the USD made production domestically more practical, along with the cost of fuel. Remember that when foreign products cost more, it is cheaper to make things here, for us or for export to other nations. It's called economics.