Creation Thread

[Farbin Kaiber]

I agree. We shouldn't put our own spin on God. I guess you are reading me as a Sunday School presentation to the class and not a scientific one. There is scientific proof of Creation (I don't have any sources off hand, but I know there are plenty). Teach it soley from the scientific side of things. Relationship with God doesn't even need to come up.

Without the understanding of the relationship, the understanding of the "rules" wouldn't jibe.

Think of teaching drivers training to students, but never explaining the relationship with police officers. So they know they can/can't, but there is no higher power (role/person) in which to understand the ultimate power they respect, and the officers wield.

[Farbin Kaiber]

My only question then, is why does there have to be an initial creator?

Because, without an initial creator, there would be no laws to govern the methods in which the interactions created in existence.

Think The Matrix and the Architect, Didn't matter until the end, but was the integral factor for the existence of the matrix. Also allows the potential for a higher level of attainment from the one existing now.

[DarkWing6]

No, I think an organized method in which "Man" attempts to instill the tools of "God" and that does not work.

I don't want some English teacher taking 30 min out of third period to tell my child how a relationship with his maker is "supposed" to work. Or how the textbook says it happened.

I agree. We shouldn't put our own spin on God. I guess you are reading me as a Sunday School presentation to the class and not a scientific one. There is scientific proof of Creation (I don't have any sources off hand, but I know there are plenty). Teach it soley from the scientific side of things. Relationship with God doesn't even need to come up.

[devonjordan]

My only question then, is why does there have to be an initial creator?

[Farbin Kaiber]

Cool, that's more along the lines my inability to truly conceptualize the whole event ties to.

[nando]

But is it not possable that that higher power has been making adjustments to his project, much as you do to your fuel maps and tables? Just making what you already did just a bit better, or more comfy in the cold.

Sorry, I'll get back on track.

I don't know about making adjustments - but I can entertain the possibility that a god or gods created the laws and rules that led to the big bang, the universe, evolution, etc. That seems like a more plausable "creation" theory to me than one that ignores hundreds of years of evidence that things have been here waaay before us. hell, the first scientists were christians.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Thanks DarkWing6, I was trying to get out of the topic over there.

[DarkWing6]

Creation Thread

If you want to discuss it do it here. I'm gonna move some posts from the Palin thread here.

[Farbin Kaiber]

You're not bad farbin.

I'd like to see a non biased world religion class - but that's not going to happen.

Thanks. I like to find the similarities in every religion. I know this kinda went off topic, but yeah, If humans could keep their own personal spin on everything we'd be better off.


And, I see what your saying up there.

[Turf1600]

It actually says, let "US" (meaning more than one god) create man in our image.

1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Sorry Turf.

I'm not debating semantics - just that the idea of god (and all religion) changes as we see fit so that it's more comfortable to us.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Because god is created in our image; not the other way around.

It actually says, let "US" (meaning more than one god) create man in our image.

1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Sorry Turf.

[Turf1600]

No, I think an organized method in which "Man" attempts to instill the tools of "God" and that does not work.

I don't want some English teacher taking 30 min out of third period to tell my child how a relationship with his maker is "supposed" to work. Or how the textbook says it happened.

You're not bad farbin.

I'd like to see a non biased world religion class - but that's not going to happen.

[nando]

So, does that mean it wasn't a big "Bang", but more of a junkyard big "Megasquirt"?

now you're waaaay off topic :p please, start your own thread and instill your vast knowledge of EFI tuning upon us. ;)

[Farbin Kaiber]

Do you think treaching Creation in schools is controlling the masses with religion? Since we, as a society, cannot agree upon where we came from we should teach the different options that people do believe. One really big option that a lot of people believe is Creation. Hence, why I think it should be taught along side the rest of the options.

And yes, I agree that religion is a relationship, but I also believe there is an aspect of community that falls within religion. But in the direct case of the US, we are a government made up of representatives of the people. If many of those people have similar belief on the religion side of things it should be represented. I'm not saying it should be the end all be all, but there should be representation.

No, I think an organized method in which "Man" attempts to instill the tools of "God" and that does not work.

I don't want some English teacher taking 30 min out of third period to tell my child how a relationship with his maker is "supposed" to work. Or how the textbook says it happened.

[Turf1600]

But is it not possable that that higher power has been making adjustments to his project, much as you do to your fuel maps and tables? Just making what you already did just a bit better, or more comfy in the cold.

Sorry, I'll get back on track.

Because god is created in our image; not the other way around.