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Originally posted by rwh11385 View PostHoly crap, and i thought I couldn't think you were any further off the deep end!
hahahaaha. Animals are so damn tasty.
Veganism is tough as shit. To be vegan means you are 100% against the killing of a living being for the satisfaction of yourself.
We have the technology now a days that allows humans to be 100% healthy and still be a vegan. So, I ask the question again. Why kill a living being for the sake of your own satisfaction when we have the means of living a healthy lifestyle without doing so?
I myself am not vegan and probably will never be, but I do on the other hand understand what it is about and how powerful it is. Living a vegan lifestyle is living a life of unselfishness (to a degree, as far as food/clothing is concerned).
That is simply hard as fuck in my books.
Props to any vegans out there.
P.s This is not by any means a promotion for veganism. Economics comes into play. Being a vegan would be very expensive, it just simply can’t be for everyone. Maybe if society as a whole converted.. but that will never happen.
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Originally posted by Schneider325 View PostVeganism is tough as shit. To be vegan means you are 100% against the killing of a living being for the satisfaction of yourself.
We have the technology now a days that allows humans to be 100% healthy and still be a vegan. So, I ask the question again. Why kill a living being for the sake of your own satisfaction when we have the means of living a healthy lifestyle without doing so?
But for arguments sake, don't you think that eating other animals is part of the natural order of life? Given, I think the way that we raise animals to be killed is a paradox in itself, but imagine when the Native Americans hunted buffalo to survive...was it wrong back then?
Where do we draw the line? It's a fuzzy area no doubt about it.tasty
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Originally posted by Schneider325 View PostThis is one argument that you're not going to win. To say veganism is something for the wackos (this is how i took your statement) is very much an uneducated assumption.
Veganism is tough as shit. To be vegan means you are 100% against the killing of a living being for the satisfaction of yourself.
We have the technology now a days that allows humans to be 100% healthy and still be a vegan. So, I ask the question again. Why kill a living being for the sake of your own satisfaction when we have the means of living a healthy lifestyle without doing so?
I myself am not vegan and probably will never be, but I do on the other hand understand what it is about and how powerful it is. Living a vegan lifestyle is living a life of unselfishness (to a degree, as far as food/clothing is concerned).
That is simply hard as fuck in my books.
Props to any vegans out there.
P.s This is not by any means a promotion for veganism. Economics comes into play. Being a vegan would be very expensive, it just simply can’t be for everyone. Maybe if society as a whole converted.. but that will never happen.
I only did it to lose weight - and I dropped like 15 lbs in a month doing zero other changes to my lifestyle. I didn't do it to object to the killing animals to eat in the least - I did it as a healthy alternative to be leaner and more fit - and it WORKS like nothing else if you can handle it.
I don't understand people who think that they are morally superior because they don't use any products from animals, including food.PNW Crew
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Originally posted by Schneider325 View PostThis is one argument that you're not going to win. To say veganism is something for the wackos (this is how i took your statement) is very much an uneducated assumption.
Veganism is tough as shit. To be vegan means you are 100% against the killing of a living being for the satisfaction of yourself.
We have the technology now a days that allows humans to be 100% healthy and still be a vegan. So, I ask the question again. Why kill a living being for the sake of your own satisfaction when we have the means of living a healthy lifestyle without doing so?
I myself am not vegan and probably will never be, but I do on the other hand understand what it is about and how powerful it is. Living a vegan lifestyle is living a life of unselfishness (to a degree, as far as food/clothing is concerned).
That is simply hard as fuck in my books.
Props to any vegans out there.
P.s This is not by any means a promotion for veganism. Economics comes into play. Being a vegan would be very expensive, it just simply can’t be for everyone. Maybe if society as a whole converted.. but that will never happen.
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Originally posted by shiftbmw View PostEat them and enjoy the luxury of being on top of the food chain. If the animals could eat you, they would.
Don't you guys watch shark week!?
Can you go kill and eat a hippo with your bare hands?"We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."
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Originally posted by Turf1600 View PostHow are we on the top of the food chain if many large (and small?) animals can kill and eat us without a problem?
Can you go kill and eat a hippo with your bare hands?
Look at Lions.. they aren't as large as some of the animals they kill, but are higher on the food chain.PNW Crew
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Originally posted by uofom3 View PostAre you going to argue that we're not on the top of the food chain? Being on the top doesn't always mean that we are the largest in size. We can arm ourselves, they can't. They lose. We are higher on the food chain. GET IN MA' BELLAY!
Look at Lions.. they aren't as large as some of the animals they kill, but are higher on the food chain."We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."
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Originally posted by Turf1600 View PostI don't think guns qualify us to be on the top of the food chain because we're not armed 100% of the time. Bottom line is any person out in the wild is pretty much fucked. 99% of the people on this forum would probably die while searching for nuts and berries because the only thing they can catch is a toad or a butterfly.
Limb + knife = spear, + animal = dinner
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Originally posted by rwh11385 View Post
Limb + knife = spear, + animal = dinner"We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."
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Originally posted by Turf1600 View PostI'm almost 100% certain that you couldn't outrun anything that's chasing you. Let alone have the skills to build a weapon that actually works.
If we were in olden days, everyone alive would have had to been able to kill game or know friends who did. Indians chased buffalo and deer, not that hard.
But Africans had to survive running from Lions and Tigers and Cheetahs, no wonder they are so fast!
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Originally posted by Turf1600 View PostI don't think guns qualify us to be on the top of the food chain because we're not armed 100% of the time. Bottom line is any person out in the wild is pretty much fucked. 99% of the people on this forum would probably die while searching for nuts and berries because the only thing they can catch is a toad or a butterfly.
These "guns" and "tools" that have been referenced are WHY we are on top of the food chain.PNW Crew
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Originally posted by uofom3 View PostIf we weren't on top of the food chain, we'd be living in fear of all of these other animals and generally be non-functional. Again, being on "top" doesn't always mean you're bigger or faster or badder - it means you can kill what is below you. The food chain isn't a list of largest to smallest animals - it's about what can eat what.
These "guns" and "tools" that have been referenced are WHY we are on top of the food chain."We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."
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