The moderator of Thursday's vice-presidential debate

[Raginl3ull]

I agree with you 100% but again I have not read or herd one solid defining solution on how Obama is going to bring all this change that he has promised the American people. He is using military style tactics to gain votes and or swaying votes his way. Acorn etc...

Not one? Are you serious?

1. Remove tax breaks for those who do not need it in order to help the struggling middle class. This is geared towards repairing the damage of the last 8 years with the right in office. He has also stated that he will close Corporate loopholes. Why give 320 billion dollar tax break to wealthiest folks in the country who don't even need them? This falls under McCain and the Republicans policy.

2. Mandated Health Care which is geared again towards helping the middle class, which in turn will help the economy.

3. A more reasonable approach to diplomacy in terms of SPEAKING to our adversaries which Biden emphasized how our allies have been pressing us to do

4. Ending the war in Iraq by setting a time table and putting more responsibility on the Iraqi government which currently has an 80 billion dollar surplus. We are spending 10 billion a month to fund the troops in Iraq. The policy will again put more pressure on the Iraqi government to take more responsibility and allow us to focus our resources on where the war really started (War on Terror) Afganastan.


The list goes on....

[Aptyp]

The fact that he is not your traditional face in office brings CREDEBILITY to the fact that he will bring change. However, Biden and Obama have made it clear and have been consistent with laying out their plans on how they will bring change to Washington, better yet tying McCain back to Bush which we all know is just more of the same. Funny how Palin emphasized that they will be the party to bring Change/Reform to Washington. So why did they all of a sudden adopt the idea of delivering change? Adaptation is key to survival...plain and simple.

I highlighted words that make you a pundit.

When did Obama make anything clear? Especially with Biden? They are very different politicians and rarely saw eye-to-eye before. Palin made a good point that Biden hopped on the train after being selected for nomination.

Palin made it clear that McCain/Palin ticket was the real change, as neither would have alligances to their party. She made it clear that Obama was a liberal push-over in the senate voting with his party 96% of the time. She didn't mention another 100 times he was "present" during voting.

[Aptyp]

why is Obama's threat to prosecute "lies" about him in Missouri not a bigger deal?

because he's going to prosecute if you mention it, lol

Just to think, he's a constitutional lawyer.

[Raginl3ull]

I highlighted words that make you a pundit.

When did Obama make anything clear? Especially with Biden? They are very different politicians and rarely saw eye-to-eye before. Palin made a good point that Biden hopped on the train after being selected for nomination.

Palin made it clear that McCain/Palin ticket was the real change, as neither would have alligances to their party. She made it clear that Obama was a liberal push-over in the senate voting with his party 96% of the time. She didn't mention another 100 times he was "present" during voting.

Which one are you, the kettle or the pot? You are wrong thinking that they have no alligances to their parties when McCain voted 95% of the time with George Bush. They try to use this BS about how they are reformers. Palin voted for the bridge before she voted against it.

[Aptyp]

Not one? Are you serious?

1. Remove tax breaks for those who do not need it in order to help the struggling middle class. This is geared towards repairing the damage of the last 8 years with the right in office. He has also stated that he will close Corporate loopholes. Why give 320 billion dollar tax break to wealthiest folks in the country who don't even need them? This falls under McCain and the Republicans policy. HOW? We're talking about businesses or tax breaks added by democrats on the bailout. Obama is talking out of his ass on this topic, since he voted to raise Illinois taxes while being in state senate.

2. Mandated Health Care which is geared again towards helping the middle class, which in turn will help the economy. HOW? That's and empty statement by you, no solution. He's planning to make insurance mandatory to all. Let's see, if I my employer doesn't pay for it, now I have to. So he won't directly tax me, but he'll add another bill to my rent and amenities.

3. A more reasonable approach to diplomacy in terms of SPEAKING to our adversaries which Biden emphasized how our allies have been pressing us to do HOW? Yes, more reasonable approach. As diplomatic benchmarks are not reasonable at all. Fuck, let's invite Bin Laden over for a cup of tea and ask him whether he wasn't hugged enough as a kid.

4. Ending the war in Iraq by setting a time table and putting more responsibility on the Iraqi government which currently has an 80 billion dollar surplus. We are spending 10 billion a month to fund the troops in Iraq. The policy will again put more pressure on the Iraqi government to take more responsibility and allow us to focus our resources on where the war really started (War on Terror) Afganastan. HOW? Yes Bush is working on that already with Iraq. Too bad he spent more time running for the next job then introducing that bill in senate. And his 16 month withdrawal is an amazing plan. Wonder what would happen if US would pull out of Germany in 1945. Oh yeah, Iron Curtain would end on southern Canadian Border and Northern Mexican.


The list goes on....

[Vedubin01]

Not one? Are you serious?

1. Remove tax breaks for those who do not need it in order to help the struggling middle class.

They call that Socialism - not what America is founded on!

This is geared towards repairing the damage of the last 8 years with the right in office.

This mess in wall street was started back in the 90s under Clinton not in the last 8 years as some would say. I even quoted the NYtimes from 1999 under Clinton.

He has also stated that he will close Corporate loopholes. Why give 320 billion dollar tax break to wealthiest folks in the country who don't even need them?

top 10$% pay 90 percent of the taxes collected for this country! They also are the ones that employee you and others. They are rich for a reason.

Mandated Health Care which is geared again towards helping the middle class, which in turn will help the economy.

Thats a real joke there!

A more reasonable approach to diplomacy in terms of SPEAKING to our adversaries which Biden emphasized how our allies have been pressing us to do

HAHAHAHAHA you think Im anal, some people you cant just talk to... Ever get your ass kicked in school?

Ending the war in Iraq by setting a time table and putting more responsibility on the Iraqi government which currently has an 80 billion dollar surplus. We are spending 10 billion a month to fund the troops in Iraq. The policy will again put more pressure on the Iraqi government to take more responsibility and allow us to focus our resources on where the war really started (War on Terror) Afganastan.

I will have to agree, its time for Iraq to start footing the bill if they would like us to stay. But we can not look like we left unfinished business. This will send a clear message to the rest of the world that might think they could take us on, on our own soil. Many of you would run to Canada if that would happen.


The fact is it does not make sense. Its great in a perfect world, but we do not life in that perfect world!

Congress has a rating of 9%, what more can a hockey mom do as VP of a country. Not much more than what is fucked up already.

[Aptyp]

Which one are you, the kettle or the pot? You are wrong thinking that they have no alligances to their parties when McCain voted 95% of the time with George Bush. They try to use this BS about how they are reformers. Palin voted for the bridge before she voted against it.

i want proof on McCains 95% voting with Bush, you just pulled that out of your ass.

Especially since Bush doesn't vote in Senate.

Biden was for the war before he was against it, so were most democrats. Obama was for funding the troops before he was against it. You're such a moron for pointing out flip-flop of Washington, that's how demcrats lost last elections, pointing out wrong shit that they themselves are guilty of.

[Raginl3ull]

i want proof on McCains 95% voting with Bush, you just pulled that out of your ass.

Biden was for the war before he was against it, so were most democrats. Obama was for funding the troops before he was against it. You're such a moron for pointing out flip-flop of Washington, that's how demcrats lost last elections, pointing out wrong shit that they themselves are guilty of.

Show me proof that Obama voted 96% of the time with his party or did you just pull that out of your ass? Biden never denied that he wasn't for the war. You're such an IDIOT to think you would support an obvious parrot Palin to be a heartbeat away from being our commander in cheif....I challenge you to justify how she is qualified.

[Raginl3ull]

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

Reading is fundamental. Something you know nothing of :zzz:

[Aptyp]

Show me proof that Obama voted 96% of the time with his party or did you just pull that out of your ass? Biden never denied that he wasn't for the war. You're such an IDIOT to think you would support an obvious parrot Palin to be a heartbeat away from being our commander in cheif....I challenge you to justify how she is qualified.

http://obama.senate.gov/votes/

You are an idiot, I actually have proof.

I never said Biden denied it, just like Palin never denied that she changed her mind after funding was pulled out and Alaskan citizens had to pay for it first, and receive federal support later. It's all over Alaskan news, and she was well justified doing so by her state's citizens.

She has held an executive position with 80% approval. That's how she qualifies.

[Pinepig]

It's a low bar...how hard would it be for her to look good?

When she looks good my dick could cut diamonds.

Sorry, I read other sites too and quite a few left leaning folks have said she did a good job, that's saying something considering she hasn't been in the game nearly as long as Biden.


The BBC has it pretty even and that's about the most non biased source you can find.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7649808.stm

[Raginl3ull]

i want proof on McCains 95% voting with Bush, you just pulled that out of your ass.

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=213&sid=1467099

SEN. ROBERT CASEY JR. of PENNSYLVANIA: "John McCain calls himself a maverick, but he votes with George Bush 90 percent of the time. That's not a maverick. That's a sidekick."

_RENDELL: "And guess who voted with President Bush 90 percent of the time? Sen. John McCain."

THE FACTS: McCain voted with President Bush 90 percent of the time from January 20, 2001, to when Congress left Washington on its annual August recess, according to a study by Congressional Quarterly. But McCain wasn't always a staunch Bush backer. In 2005, his support for Bush's position on legislation reached a low of 77 percent; last year, when he launched his latest bid for the GOP presidential nomination, he voted with Bush 95 percent of the time.


Your such a fucking idiot! This only one cite....want more?




More:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200808270008

According to Congressional Quarterly, McCain's presidential support scores (the percentage of roll call votes on which he sided with Bush's position) for each completed individual year of Bush's presidency are:

Year
McCain Presidential Support Score

2001
91

2002
90

2003
91

2004
92

2005
77

2006
89

2007
95

[Aptyp]

Biden is qualified, and I voted for him in primaries, I am a registered democrat. I wanted to see a Clinton/Biden campaign since those two work very well together.

I never expected that republicans would allow McCain to to be their nominee. After that, I thought McCain would select a similar republican to himself, but there wasn't one around. He couldn't select Ron Paul, he couldn't select Joe Biden. What do you expect? Palin made a perfect VP because she's a republican governor with good reputation and record. She's conservative, she's a woman, she's religious, she's guaranteed votes.

[Raginl3ull]

http://obama.senate.gov/votes/

You are an idiot, I actually have proof.

I never said Biden denied it, just like Palin never denied that she changed her mind after funding was pulled out and Alaskan citizens had to pay for it first, and receive federal support later. It's all over Alaskan news, and she was well justified doing so by her state's citizens.

She has held an executive position with 80% approval. That's how she qualifies.

Pwhahha..you forgot to mention how she emphasized how the proximity of Alaska to Russia was her selling points for her foreign policy qualifications. What about how she couldn't name a single Supreme Court ruling other than Roe V Wade? The list goes on....you as a citizen should be very scared realizing that she is a heartbeat from being the commander in cheif.

[Raginl3ull]

Biden is qualified, and I voted for him in primaries, I am a registered democrat. I wanted to see a Clinton/Biden campaign since those two work very well together.

I never expected that republicans would allow McCain to to be their nominee. After that, I thought McCain would select a similar republican to himself, but there wasn't one around. He couldn't select Ron Paul, he couldn't select Joe Biden. What do you expect? Palin made a perfect VP because she's a republican governor with good reputation and record. She's conservative, she's a woman, she's religious, she's guaranteed votes.

You forgot to mention the 15 min phone call he had with her which was practically the only communication he has had with this women. This only reflects on how bad of a judgement this man has. If he wanted a woman who is qualified, knowledgable in energy, reform and foreign policy..this is who he should have picked!

http://snowe.senate.gov/public/