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  • Joey Link
    drunkest guy at Oktoberfest!
    • Nov 2004
    • 1176

    #421
    Originally posted by parkerbink
    As an aside please get the hell off the socialism nonsense. Who just affirmed the largest socialist decision in the history of the country?
    I'm really tired of people saying that because Bush did this or that, that us conservatives cannot vote against socialism. Guess what? Bush is not conservative. Why do you think the term 'neo-conservative' has been used with such regularity throughout his two terms? Neo-con's have co-opted the Republican party, harnessed the votes of the religious right, and in my opinion have enacted policy and made choices that generally only benefited their own.

    Most liberals make the common mistake of lumping all us "Republicans" or "conservatives" into one group and thinking that if we're one of those we must support Bush and his policies. A truly conservative president would not have signed the bailout bill.

    I am not thrilled with any of the choices but the Republicans have made a mess so large that change is mandatory.
    I agree with you that change is mandatory, but I will never agree that a move toward a socialist nanny state is the right choice for America. I believe we need to exactly as any other entity (business, individual, etc.) would have to do when they have a very large debt: cut spending, pay off our debt, lower taxes after the debt is paid off, and keep spending low. If we did that the economy would explode.

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    • parkerbink
      R3V OG
      • Jun 2004
      • 10134

      #422
      I never complained about the price, I pointed out that the price went up 300.00 in one year.

      Bush entered office with a surplus. Where did that go?

      Originally posted by Joey Link
      I'm really tired of people saying that because Bush did this or that, that us conservatives cannot vote against socialism. Guess what? Bush is not conservative. Why do you think the term 'neo-conservative' has been used with such regularity throughout his two terms? Neo-con's have co-opted the Republican party, harnessed the votes of the religious right, and in my opinion have enacted policy and made choices that generally only benefited their own.

      Most liberals make the common mistake of lumping all us "Republicans" or "conservatives" into one group and thinking that if we're one of those we must support Bush and his policies. A truly conservative president would not have signed the bailout bill.



      I agree with you that change is mandatory, but I will never agree that a move toward a socialist nanny state is the right choice for America. I believe we need to exactly as any other entity (business, individual, etc.) would have to do when they have a very large debt: cut spending, pay off our debt, lower taxes after the debt is paid off, and keep spending low. If we did that the economy would explode.
      I am not saying I agree with Socialism, I am making the choice based on the available choices. Are you saying given a choice of coke or wine I should choose water?

      There are two choices, period. Neither are what I want bit between McCain & Obama the choice is clear.

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      • Joey Link
        drunkest guy at Oktoberfest!
        • Nov 2004
        • 1176

        #423
        Originally posted by parkerbink
        I am not saying I agree with Socialism, I am making the choice based on the available choices. Are you saying given a choice of coke or wine I should choose water?

        There are two choices, period. Neither are what I want bit between McCain & Obama the choice is clear.
        My choices are Socialism with Barack and a Dem congress or the *chance* that McCain will do the right thing and make choices that will help this country. I look to history for guidance, and there are at least six major red flags in Obama's past and present that make him someone I would never vote for. I don't like McCain, he's too moderate for my tastes, but he has always worked in a bi-partisan way to do what he felt was right for the country, and I respect that. Obama is fluff; he has very, very little to claim in terms of actual accomplishments aside for winning elections. I'm amazed so many people buy into what he's selling. Unfortunately, I imagine it's pretty easy considering we're coming to the end of eight years of Bush.

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        • parkerbink
          R3V OG
          • Jun 2004
          • 10134

          #424
          McCain and a viable VP would be a choice. McCain and Palin is unacceptable as I fear he will not live through a term.

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          • Old'n'Slow
            E30 Addict
            • Nov 2003
            • 436

            #425
            Originally posted by parkerbink
            McCain and a viable VP would be a choice. McCain and Palin is unacceptable as I fear he will not live through a term.
            Word. I liked McCain years ago, but time changes everything. I am not confident he will make it through his term while maintaining full control of his faculties. A different pick for VP and I might well have supported the ticket. But Palin as pres is simply unacceptable, and far too likely, should McCain be elected.

            So I will vote for Obama, if only to keep Palin and her Jesus Horses many thousands of miles from the White House.

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            • Vedubin01
              R3V Elite
              • Jun 2006
              • 5852

              #426
              Its funny that people complain about his age. We have almost half of the Supreme Court Justices approaching his age or even older. 1, 88 years old. These are people that dictate the law of the land. They can stay on as long as they want till they step down. Im more worried about that than someone that will most likely do 4 years in office.
              Build your own dreams, or someone else will hire you to build theirs!

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              • Old'n'Slow
                E30 Addict
                • Nov 2003
                • 436

                #427
                Originally posted by Vedubin01
                Its funny that people complain about his age. We have almost half of the Supreme Court Justices approaching his age or even older. 1, 88 years old. These are people that dictate the law of the land. They can stay on as long as they want till they step down. Im more worried about that than someone that will most likely do 4 years in office.
                Supreme Court Justices generally do not contend with the same sort of schedule the President maintains. There is near constant travel, and regardless of whether it's across DC or across the globe, it takes a toll. Multiple daily meetings over a wide range of topics-and the man already looks a little addled from time to time.

                Not to take anything away from a Justice, but it appears to be a far less physically demanding job.

                And again, this wouldn't be near the problem it is for many voters were he to have a better "Plan B" than Sarah Palin.

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                • Vedubin01
                  R3V Elite
                  • Jun 2006
                  • 5852

                  #428
                  thats kind of what they said about Regan when he became president. A movie star that became Governor with really no track record. The history shows many think Regan turned out pretty good.
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                  • Old'n'Slow
                    E30 Addict
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 436

                    #429
                    Originally posted by Vedubin01
                    thats kind of what they said about Regan when he became president. A movie star that became Governor with really no track record. The history shows many think Regan turned out pretty good.
                    We weren't talking about his qualifications. We were talking about his age!

                    Reagan was 69 when elected. Three years may not sound like much, but take it from someone who has watched both parents die-people of this age can go downhill very quickly-seemingly insignificant things can take them out. Reagan, in spite of his age had a VP somewhat more seasoned than Palin.

                    Reagan's "Plan B" was GHW Bush who according to history, at the age of 18, postponed going to college and became the youngest naval aviator in US history. He served until the end of the war, then attended Yale University. Graduating in 1948, he moved his young family to West Texas and entered the oil business, becoming a millionaire by the age of 40.

                    Palin can see Russia, but has never actually been to the town from where it is visible. :)

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                    • red
                      E30 Addict
                      • Jul 2007
                      • 447

                      #430
                      Didn't Sarah Palin make fun of Joe Biden for his age before the debates.



                      yeah there you go.....her dodge from katie couric's question was pretty bad. But I'm sure it would of been worse if she admitted that she was making fun of his age and that it was stupid of her to comment on it when her running mate is 6 years older.

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                      • Tim Flat4
                        Advanced Member
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 190

                        #431
                        I couldn't agree more...

                        Michelle Goldberg: Sarah Palin's farcical debate performance lowered the standards for both female candidates and US political discourse
                        "We've stumbled along for a while, trying to run a new civilization in old ways, but we've got to start to make this world over." -Thomas Edison, 1912

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