The moderator of Thursday's vice-presidential debate

[Vedubin01]

thats why we were laughing.... thought you might be one of us!

[eric (^__^)]

It's funny how the Wiki on Turtles is shorter than the wiki on TMNT

[DarkWing6]

thats why we were laughing.... thought you might be one of us!

I am now. :D

[Pinepig]

I am now. :D

Nobody just pulls 87 out of thin air, don't tease us, give the secret handshake, bumpfire or throw your rifle down the driveway to make it look " "used" , mention that you can't bring fire on the airplane, or that you have seen reference to the SEC ( rip ). Hell post up a skit with " action figures ".

Fuck it, I'm foing.

[eric (^__^)]

He's foing so hard

[Vedubin01]

This was one of the comic relief guys of AR15.com RIP, he was great!

http://forum.ramanon.com/showthread.php?t=37351

Eric, screen name?

[Pinepig]

This was one of the comic relief guys of AR15.com RIP, he was great!

http://forum.ramanon.com/showthread.php?t=37351

Eric, screen name?

You know that George just lives about 1/2 mile away from me, he is one strange cat. Good guy but just a wee bit off.

[Pinepig]

This was one of the comic relief guys of AR15.com RIP

You know I saw the RIP in your post and realized I hadn't talked to him in a while, I did some checking and he's still posting over at ar15armory.

[Vedubin01]

He was a bit odd, he kind of did some people wrong on some gun racks that cost him his membership on AR. I always enjoyed reading those. They were always including the main members of the forums.

Good bunch of people on those forums though....

[Old'n'Slow]

Rev. Wright is FAR worse than any of them, and he's also closer to the candidate than Hagee is to McCain.

Very, very few people in this country had ever heard of Rev. Wright before this tempest in a teacup. Hagee is well known for his extreme stands and calls for actions he believes will bring about Armageddon.

The GOP has long aligned itself and pandered to Pat Robertson, who declared the State Department should be nuked, Jerry Falwell, who stated "God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve", (another way of saying that god "damned" America?) and ,of course, Hagee, who stated "All hurricanes are acts of God because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that."

Of course, after McCain saw the outrage at Hagee's endorsement, which he initially sought, he quickly distanced himself. It's hard to garner the Catholic vote when one of your most visible endorsers calls Catholicism the "Great Whore".

But your assertion that Wright is "far worse than any of them" holds little water. Wright is retired, and apparently uninterested in subverting democracy unlike Pat Robertson, who stated:

"We at the Christian Coalition are raising an army who cares. We are training people to be effective -- to be elected to school boards, to city councils, to state legislatures, and to key positions in political parties.... By the end of this decade, if we work and give and organize and train, THE CHRISTIAN COALITION WILL BE THE MOST POWERFUL POLITICAL ORGANIZATION IN AMERICA"

Compared to that, Wright is a loudmouthed wannabe.

[Aptyp]

and i was replacing my window motor. I would have never missed turtles.


When I was a kid in Russia we had a hedgehog, one winter I played with him on the balcony and the bastard passed out and hibernated on me. Brought him inside, kept him my room in blankets, he woke 2 months into winter hungry as hell.

I love him.

[Aptyp]

Very, very few people in this country had ever heard of Rev. Wright before this tempest in a teacup. Hagee is well known for his extreme stands and calls for actions he believes will bring about Armageddon.

The GOP has long aligned itself and pandered to Pat Robertson, who declared the State Department should be nuked, Jerry Falwell, who stated "God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve", (another way of saying that god "damned" America?) and ,of course, Hagee, who stated "All hurricanes are acts of God because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that."

Of course, after McCain saw the outrage at Hagee's endorsement, which he initially sought, he quickly distanced himself. It's hard to garner the Catholic vote when one of your most visible endorsers calls Catholicism the "Great Whore".

But your assertion that Wright is "far worse than any of them" holds little water. Wright is retired, and apparently uninterested in subverting democracy unlike Pat Robertson, who stated:

"We at the Christian Coalition are raising an army who cares. We are training people to be effective -- to be elected to school boards, to city councils, to state legislatures, and to key positions in political parties.... By the end of this decade, if we work and give and organize and train, THE CHRISTIAN COALITION WILL BE THE MOST POWERFUL POLITICAL ORGANIZATION IN AMERICA"

Compared to that, Wright is a loudmouthed wannabe.

Farrakhan?

there are plenty of nutjobs supporting both sides.


McCain nutjobs will see everyone in hell. Obama nutjobs would have their hand at sending everyone to hell.



EDIT and PS: Pat Robertson is still alive? How hasn't he been targeted yet? I don't get how all those suicide bombers are dying in vain.

[Joey Link]

Very, very few people in this country had ever heard of Rev. Wright before this tempest in a teacup. Hagee is well known for his extreme stands and calls for actions he believes will bring about Armageddon.

The GOP has long aligned itself and pandered to Pat Robertson, who declared the State Department should be nuked, Jerry Falwell, who stated "God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve", (another way of saying that god "damned" America?) and ,of course, Hagee, who stated "All hurricanes are acts of God because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that."

Of course, after McCain saw the outrage at Hagee's endorsement, which he initially sought, he quickly distanced himself. It's hard to garner the Catholic vote when one of your most visible endorsers calls Catholicism the "Great Whore".

But your assertion that Wright is "far worse than any of them" holds little water. Wright is retired, and apparently uninterested in subverting democracy unlike Pat Robertson, who stated:

"We at the Christian Coalition are raising an army who cares. We are training people to be effective -- to be elected to school boards, to city councils, to state legislatures, and to key positions in political parties.... By the end of this decade, if we work and give and organize and train, THE CHRISTIAN COALITION WILL BE THE MOST POWERFUL POLITICAL ORGANIZATION IN AMERICA"

Compared to that, Wright is a loudmouthed wannabe.

If we, the GOP, are so aligned with Robertson, what sort of things have we done for him in return for getting us all those religious votes? While the religious conservatives have co-opted the GOP (and it happened fairly recently, when GW was running for his first term), I think the left are miscalculating the extent of their influence.

Would you agree that an endorsement is far different than being a member of someones church for 20 years? I don't see how you couldn't.

While Wright may be retired, he has or has had far greater influence on Obama than any of those religious guys have had on McCain. McCain is trying to get elected and is now reaching out to those who got Bush elected (the religious right). Wright has been a mentor and an adviser to Obama for many, many years. Even if Wright and Obama no longer speak, I absolutely do not believe that after listening to a mentor and someone you look up to for twenty years wouldn't have influenced your outlook on certain things they speak very passionately about, such as the black theologian ideology. The damage is most likely already done.

[Old'n'Slow]

If we, the GOP, are so aligned with Robertson, what sort of things have we done for him in return for getting us all those religious votes?

Put up with him and his inane ramblings, for one.

Would you agree that an endorsement is far different than being a member of someones church for 20 years? I don't see how you couldn't.

Seeking Hagee's endorsement is the problem.

While Wright may be retired, he has or has had far greater influence on Obama than any of those religious guys have had on McCain.

Pure conjecture. There is simply no way to establish that. I've sat in churches for many years. It didn't create a situation where I always agreed with the preacher. There are other reasons people go to particular churches than because you agree with whoever gives the sermons.

McCain is trying to get elected and is now reaching out to those who got Bush elected (the religious right).

And McCain isn't the second coming of GWB?

I absolutely do not believe that after listening to a mentor and someone you look up to for twenty years wouldn't have influenced your outlook on certain things they speak very passionately about, such as the black theologian ideology.

Please elaborate on the nebulous term "black theologian ideology" and describe how it has influenced Obama's voting record. Please-specific votes that clearly support your contention that Rev. Wright has some sway.

It is very clear how the GOP has allowed the Religious Right to affect key policy decisions.

Abortion. Gay marriage. Stem-cell research. Environment.

So many of the GOP positions have been clearly influenced by the idea many Christian fundamentalists seem to have that concern for the future of our planet is irrelevant, because it has no future. Even Palin has stated she believes Jesus is coming back in her lifetime! I am uncomfortable with someone so short-sighted in any important public office.

Please-I really want to know-how has Wright influenced Obama's record. You stated he's been a mentor for 20 years. There should be plenty of evidence.

[Aptyp]

Wow you truly are "Old" and "Slow"

1. Obama put up with insane ramblings for 20 years, even got his kids baptized to insane ramblings.

2. Seeking any endorsement is not a problem. Saying that you won't take endorsements from lobbyists, then running the most expensive campaign payed for by lobbyists is a major ethics problem.

3. Have you seen Jeremiah Wrights credentials? With his message he had 10,000 people audience. How many of those people came to see a Jackie Mason's comedy show? Your logic is flawed. If you call some one a religious guide and a mentor, it means you have payed attention and agree with their views.

4. That's just an opinion based statement, to which the only response is to call you a pundit.

5. No one can tell how anything effected Obamas voting record. He missed over 100 votes in US Senate, and over 200 votes in Illinois senate. Both of those while voting 95%+ in the liberal left. I haven't read about black theology that Jeremiah Wright was talking about, but If that's Obamas mentor I can see the traits. Inaction? He didn't perform the job he was hired for twice in a row. How are you going to hand him keys to the white house?


GOP positions are conservative, it can be attributed to their personal religious beliefs. They got elected by people with the same personal religious or not beliefs. They are not dancing to tune, that's what most of them truly believe and that is what they bring to the table. Being a conservative means that.

You are defending Obama by asking for the direct influence on him by Wright, but you attack McCain for the indirect influence on the entire GOP. Very hypocritical.

But I will tell you, to have such unbiased liberal vote, Obama had a mentor. "Frank" from his own book, Frank Marshall Davis, black communist writer and the reason Obama went into constitutional law. I don't know who influenced him not to work at the job he was selected to do without making it sound racist, but he didn't do the job he was selected to do.

He also went to Kenya to see his Pops on Illinois tax payers money. He may be your kind of guy, but I'd rather vote for a real man, and from looking at Palin, a real woman.