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[iamsam]

No. Perhaps I didn't write the last part clear enough. The legalization of guns does not make guns exclusive to criminals, that is not what I meant at all. It does however make the purchasing or guns MUCH easier.

yes it sure does, which is exactly how us law-abiding people go about getting guns.

[rwh11385]

No. Perhaps I didn't write the last part clear enough. The legalization of guns does not make guns exclusive to criminals, that is not what I meant at all. It does however make the purchasing or guns MUCH easier.

You must not understand the English language enough to appreciate the word "only"

[Yakinho]

This that really the only argument your going to give? Come on man, use some of your supreme intelligence. Your guns aren't getting stolen.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Making them illegal to own is just the same for law abiding citizens.

[iamsam]

This that really the only argument your going to give? Come on man, use some of your supreme intelligence. Your guns aren't getting stolen.

i can't tell who you are talking to, but lets not attack each other personally, let's have a good argument here with reasoning and facts.

MY particular guns are not getting stolen (i have a gun safe and i live in a decent area) but the vast majority of black market guns are stolen ones (rather than for example illegally imported ones)

[Collin]

You've never shot black powder before, have you?

20 minutes, maybe if you're functionally retarded.

-Charlie

It's called putting a hundred on a dollar.

[Nicademus]

When the 2nd amendment was written it applied to muzzle loaders that only fired once every 20 minutes, not full auto assault rifles.

FREE MUZZLE LOADERS FOR ALL!

What's so bad about volunteering, help your community and get out of the house at the same time.

Muzzle loaders are actually quite nice, accurate and can be loaded in under a minute no problem. I think you should ban those too.

Less guns in circulation makes them harder to get on the street, and less likely to be in the hands of criminals. If there are less guns available on the black market, then they will be more expensive and petty thieves on crack won't have them anymore as they can't afford them. A gun in the hand of a crack head is way more dangerous than if you and I had one...

Want some illegal guns? not a problem. Oh and FYI they aren't all coming from inside the USA. I don't want the government knowing about every gun I own.

About my big long paragraph a few pages back; I was just free typing. Letting my thought flow out my finger tips. I realize that it can be annoying to read a big paragraph and seeing no one really cited anything I said I'm guessing it was writ for not.

[iamsam]

Want some illegal guns? not a problem.

what you got, bro?

[Yakinho]

i can't tell who you are talking to, but lets not attack each other personally, let's have a good argument here with reasoning and facts.

MY particular guns are not getting stolen (i have a gun safe and i live in a decent area) but the vast majority of black market guns are stolen ones (rather than for example illegally imported ones)

I was talking to rwh, but on to the argument. I'm going to use an example of personal experience. You're in the same state as me, so this may effect you more than some of the other people on this forum. I currently live about a mile out of DC, it isn't a really nice area and there's a good amount of violent crime here... Right now, if I wanted, I can drive or walk a couple blocks down the road to a guy who sells guns. I don't, but the availibility is the point. He doesn't steal them, he purchases them from a gun store owner who conveniently gets robbed every once in a while. Cheap, cheap guns. Mossberg 500's for $150, 590's for $250, glocks, sigs, berretas, whatever people want. The owner knows he makes more money this way. Its the same thing that was happening in california in the 90's, along with the real robberies.

[DSP74]

no, fuck that, the off topic section used to be filled with interesting things that the majority of us wouldn't have found unless we came here. Now the forum is filled with the same bullshit anyone can find on the news, which is then closely followed by an elitist prick that's god because he knows more about economics and the history of economics than anyone ever possibly could (especially the stupid democrats.) all while the guy who starts the majority of these political arguments in the forum, who is also the guy who previously filled up his portion of off-topic with people getting beheaded, shot in the face with an ak-47, and guys with half their body blown apart waiting to die. That shit was ok though... It was justice served... Bimmerista and friend are fucking crazy though, they should be burned at the stake because of that tasteless comment they said of mccain getting shot.

Fuck, maybe i'm not seeing this right, i must be going crazy too. :loco:

+1

[Massive Lee]

looks like you edited your post.

IF guns get more expensive because of a ban, true, only rich criminals can afford guns. This also means that only similar rich law-abiding citizens can afford guns, IF they decide to break the law, so the situation remains the same. What is more, those petty thieves with no guns can now use knives to attack the non-rich law-abiding citizens who also have no guns.

Post was not edited AFAIK. Maybe I corrected a typo. The situation you just explained seems to express a world of fear in which many Americans seem to live. About the same unfounded fear as was seen in that You tube "Ohio video" where a white woman thought that if Obama was elected, the blacks would rise and anihilate the white race in the US... Fear. Fear. ear.

I draw a knife, you draw a machette. Then I show you my 22 rifle and you aim your 357 magnum at me. Will it ever end?

Home owners carry weapon to defend themself from night crawlers with small guns. Then the small guns thieves swap their small gun for a 12 guage knowing that the home owners have guns too. At the end, everyone dies... Everyone buys guns to defend themself from everyone with guns... What type of logic is this?

[iamsam]

I was talking to rwh, but on to the argument. I'm going to use an example of personal experience. You're in the same state as me, so this may effect you more than some of the other people on this forum. I currently live about a mile out of DC, it isn't a really nice area and there's a good amount of violent crime here... Right now, if I wanted, I can drive or walk a couple blocks down the road to a guy who sells guns. I don't, but the availibility is the point. He doesn't steal them, he purchases them from a gun store owner who conveniently gets robbed every once in a while. Cheap, cheap guns. Mossberg 500's for $150, 590's for $250, glocks, sigs, berretas, whatever people want. The owner knows he makes more money this way. Its the same thing that was happening in california in the 90's, along with the real robberies.

Ok let me get this straight, so the guy who sells guns buys them from a gun store owner, and the gun store gets robbed periodically. So... is the gun store owner robbing his own store to sell guns to the other gun dealer guy? sorry i am not quite catching on to the process.

But nevertheless this goes to show, no matter how heavily guns can be banned, there are still guns in existence, and they WILL be bought and sold one way or another; and the more illegal it is, the more criminals will have them per citizen who does not.

[Farbin Kaiber]

He is implying that one guy "buys" guns from gun store, then sells them without PPW.

[Yakinho]

Sorry if my posts are kind of confusing today. I'm fucking exhausted. The illegal seller buys the guns from the legal dealer. The dealer then says he was robbed in order to explain the missing guns. I understand your point, but mine was to show that every time this guy gets "robbed" the guns are later replaced because he can legally buy them.

[iamsam]

Post was not edited AFAIK. Maybe I corrected a typo. The situation you just explained seems to express a world of fear in which many Americans seem to live. About the same unfounded fear as was seen in that You tube "Ohio video" where a white woman thought that if Obama was elected, the blacks would rise and anihilate the white race in the US... Fear. Fear. ear.

I draw a knife, you draw a machette. Then I show you my 22 rifle and you aim your 357 magnum at me. Will it ever end?

Home owners carry weapon to defend themself from night crawlers with small guns. Then the small guns thieves swap their small gun for a 12 guage knowing that the home owners have guns too. At the end, everyone dies... Everyone buys guns to defend themself from everyone with guns... What type of logic is this?

my bad, for some reason i didn't catch the last part of that post, i thought you may have added it later.

Anyway.

Will it ever end? of course not. Will Human conflict and suffering ever end? not until the end of the world.

The point still remains: people's houses get intruded, people get raped, killed, and robbed in their homes. This would happen a lot less if the homeowner had a gun handy.


If you drew a knife, i a machete, the moment you pull out your 22 rifle (with an obvious intent to kill me) i would shoot you as fast as i could with my .357. The End. (this of course is a hypothetical situation in which you were the aggressor, drawing a knife to harm me)

and btw: night crawlers with small guns facing homeowners with small guns historically flee and never bug the homeowner again, rather than seek a bigger weapon. That is not how petty robbers work.