Any UAW members here?

[JeffRR]

Unions (uaw experience):

1.) Protect the lowest common denominator.
2.) Typically vote democratic.


Coincidence between 1 & 2??

[Massive Lee]

Unions (uaw experience):

1.) Protect the lowest common denominator.
2.) Typically vote democratic.


Coincidence between 1 & 2??

I think so. Just a coincidence. Protecting the "bad" workers is any union's job, Republican or Democrate.

[Wiglaf]

nice blanket statement. thats like saying all bmw owners are pricks.

it's true though. prick.

[rwh11385]

I think so. Just a coincidence. Protecting the "bad" workers is any union's job, Republican or Democrate.

Voting in a democratic manner doesn't mean voting for the Democrat party.

Republican or Democrat alike take majority vote for their representation in this country.

Pure democracy is dangerous as the plebes can vote themselves bread and circuses to no limit... until the state (or company) bleeds to death.

[Charlie]

You are really out of touch on how management works. If you are a good employee, it is not in the business's best interest to let you go.

Bobby, you haven't been in corporate America very long, have you? The highest senority & best paid are usually the first to go when it comes to a round of layoffs to pretty-up the bottom line for their shareholders. Been there a while and have a nice benefits package? Screw you, you're costing us too much money, bring in a contract worker with no benes. Sure, the work will suffer, but who gives a shit, I can trim 7% off our bottom line. Look at how much outsourcing we've seen, and not just in lower level jobs. The company I work at just announced that they are outsourcing 5000 "high level" management & senior level jobs, high end datacenter management and such to India and Guatemala.

Guatemala. These are 15+ year senior level, 6 figure jobs. They're shitcanning key infrastructure people to send the job to a third world country.

-Charlie

[rwh11385]

It's called BPO, HRO, or HCA and just a fancy name for figuring out what jobs can be sent abroad or who can be shitcanned. A couple of my friends are doing that full-time... interviewing people like the Bobs.

If you are a good employee, it is not in the business's best interest to let you go.

round of layoffs to pretty-up the bottom line for their shareholders.

Just because people do it, doesn't mean it is the smartest approach. Look at what happened in the last year, you think everyone is playing the game in the best fashion they can? Making decisions based on the bottom-line may not be in the best interest for the company, even if it looks good on paper or short-term. Talent management is important even if you don't easily see the results.

But if you have someone making $30,000 a year for taking a box from one conveyor to another, with no value added, and can be replaced by a pneumatic arm and a sensor... then you are in the company's best interest doing so.

[Charlie]

Talent management is important even if you don't easily see the results.

"Talent Managment" left the vocabulary of most companies 5 years ago man. These days it's "staffing firm" & "90 day contract".

-Charlie

[rwh11385]

And how have those companies done? Or how will they perform?

Those who are attracting people with benefits and internal career planning seem to be doing well.

Who knows what will happen to the people who are listening to suits recommending they cut workers. It's not in the human capital analyst's best interest to honestly tell a company there are no jobs to be cut. And probably not many people take the time to consider that fact.

Trends come and go, and the smart and adaptable grow while others falter. Outsourcing is going to be different 5 years from now compared to today. If 5 years ago someone told you China would be outsourcing its work, not to many would have thought it true. And maybe the perspective of a popular idea will turn away from losing valuable workers in lieu of cheap ones.

[mrsleeve]

You guys are basing all you union arguments on the the UAW which I am sure is what all you profs in school used as the example. 1 its not that way in the UAW any more they cant a ford to have a lazy ass in there any longer.

2 I belong to trade unions we have to compeat with non union out fits that pay their guys about 2/3s of our scale with 1/2 or non of the benefits. Why do you think we can compete and most of the time beat the rat contractors. Because we get more production per shift less reshots or repairs per crew, an have better quality product to give our customer. That means we actually cost less or the same as the rat, but both us the employee and contractor make more money, due to less wasted supplies an less time doing work over again.