Valkyrie

[tofubento]

Tom is a Scientologist. I can't get that out of my head every time I see him now. And that's all I would be able to think about if I were to watch the movie.

And thats why I dont watch it.

When I first saw the previews I thought it was about Rommel...if it was id go see it...and if it didnt have Tom in it.

[h0lmes]

Comrade,

I believe there were like 15 assassination attempts/plots on Hitler. The eagles nest is pretty cool if you have ever been. Its where he actually did the deed.

What deed?

[delfin]

What deed?

Lost his virginity to Walt Disney.

[Edev]

i heard there were more attempts on his life? like 35..40..50? it said it at the end of the movie if i remember correctly.

[madformx5]

I don't care how good it is or isn't because I cannot stand Tommy Boy and I don't watch anything with him in it.

[der affe]

i went to go and see it on X-mas night. i didn't have any high expectations of it and i was not disappointed!

it was loosely historical, more of a story tailored to TC's acting ability.
he did start off speaking German in the beginning of the movie, then he had a German accent for about another 5-10 min. then it was gone.

it reminded me of Kevin Costner doing Robin Hood w/o the English accent.

all together the movie was Meh at best. i didn't hate it, but it was nothing special either.

i already had pretty in depth knowledge of the story, because I AM a WWII history buff and have done extensive research on the 3rd Reich, national socialism, and the SS.

i was surprised to see several of the actors from "The Downfall" in it though.

Thomas Kretschmann (Fegelein in The Downfall and he was also in Stalingrad) he was the commander of the Valkyrie

Cristian Berkel (Schenck in The Downfall) he was the "counter weight" in the chain of command to the politicians

Rolf Kanies (Krebs in The Downfall) was a minor charector an the
"Wolve's lair"

i would probably buy it when it hits the $5 bin at wall mart, otherwise

[h0lmes]

it was loosely historical, more of a story tailored to TC's acting ability.

From what I understand, the movie is nearly identical to the actual story. There are very few differences.

[der affe]

i was historical, but he wasn't the absolute ring leader that they portrayed him to be.

yes, he was in the DAK and that is where he was injured, losing his hand, eye and 2 fingers. he was an outspoken christian. he came from a privileged background and was well educated. he tended to "speak out of turn" so to speak and that did cause him problems in his career and he was disillusioned by where the Nazi party had taken the country.

i thought it was overly dramatic and slanted towards Tom's lack of acting ability with out much attention paid to the other key players in the attempt.

i did however like the fact that they went more in depth with the story after the explosion. most of the time on the history channel (most people's knowledge of WWII are limited to this) you only hear about the attempt and the explosion. no mention is made of the coup attempt.

[Jand3rson]

The guy that plays Phil in Shaun of the Dead (his stepdad) was in it, too. :D

[der affe]

that's right! i couldn't figure out where i recognized him from.

check out Stalingrad if you get a chance, it is only a 99 cent rental at blockbuster and it is on youtube in parts. it gets a little corny in the end, but isn't a bad movie.

[joshh]

that's right! i couldn't figure out where i recognized him from.

check out Stalingrad if you get a chance, it is only a 99 cent rental at blockbuster and it is on youtube in parts. it gets a little corny in the end, but isn't a bad movie.

The real story is pretty cool...beyond all the death of course. I'll have to check that one out.

[Jand3rson]

that's right! i couldn't figure out where i recognized him from.

check out Stalingrad if you get a chance, it is only a 99 cent rental at blockbuster and it is on youtube in parts. it gets a little corny in the end, but isn't a bad movie.

I own Stalingrad, and Downfall. Both are amazing movies.

[Larry e30]

I thought it was excellent, very well done, it wasnt an action thriller (thank god) it was very serious and it moved along very well right from the opening scene to the end. And for the record, I was excited about this movie til I found out Tom Cruise was in it, but I forgot all my opinions I had about him very early into the movie. So even if you dont like Cruise, be open minded and check it out you wont be disappointed, I'm glad I saw it. I also liked the cars that were in it even though they were all MB.

edit: there were 15 known attempts to assinate Adolf Hitler

[CleanAzzE30z]

Really? To me, it wouldn't be that far-fetched.

I think it looks good, I really want to see it, just for the WWII/Nazi Germany content, I've always been really interested in that stuff.

Tom Cruise --> :hitler: <-- Hitler.

Well, its due to the fact that in my experience Tom mostly plays the righteous, all-american, pure, morally superior, white male.

Plus I know the true story in depth and dont want to risk ruining it with Hollywood exagerrations and added drama tweaking. I, too, love WWII stuffs. On top of all this, Ive fallen seriously out of love with the whole movie-going experience in the last 10 years so its rare that I even see a movie in the theatres. Its become a gesture of how much I want to see the movie and/or support the people involved more than going to see a movie. To go through the trouble of going, finding parking, waiting in line, dealing with the idiotic general bad manners of the population at large, and accepting the cock in my ass (food, 2 tickets, parking, assorted added extortions) for a few hours is a significant gesture of showing my appreciation to the movie, or the director, or the actors, or the subject matter, etc.


Mariano

[Chisum]

I have "Downfall" which I hear was filmed in Germany, by a German director and filmmaker, and this film is an excellent portrayal of the last days. If this was filmed in Germany, how did they get away with having swastikas in deutschland, which I thought were illegal there?