GUN GUYS! So it begins

[Danny]

Do you ever post WITHOUT a picture?

[tecks2k]

^^^^^^^
That's awesome!

[Danny]

Thanks.

[tofubento]

You have the law right there in front of you. Print out a copy if necessary.

I am a bit confused as to the basis of your statement...elaborate?

[Money$hit]

Fuck this shit, im buying a Unimog and mounting a turret gun on that bitch.

[ThePotsy]

I am a bit confused as to the basis of your statement...elaborate?

There is a link on the first page to the actual law that is being discussed, print out a copy for yourself.

[tofubento]

There is a link on the first page to the actual law that is being discussed, print out a copy for yourself.

Why?

[dlmpsy]

Something everyone needs to consider. Firearms ownership was encouraged for hundreds of years by the Federal Government and the State. It was a good way to have a somewhat trained army in your backyard, and it kept the government honest. It was part of series of checks and balances against an unjust government (like the English during Colonial days). People needed guns to hunt, protect their families, etc. Our founding fathers believed that the individual was responsible and just. The Federal government was in place to make treaties, deal with interstate commerce, and protect the states from outside threats among a few other things. Guns have been heavily regulated for the past 80 years (more than most people probably know). If you live in the city, or have never shot a gun it may be hard to understand what the big deal is. All you hear about is people getting shot, murdered, raped, etc. with guns involved. Gun collecting is an interesting hobby, target shooting requires a great deal of skill, and hunting involves a lot more than just killing an animal (and by the way, it's a more "honest" way of getting dinner than buying a dead cow on a bun). Hunting fees also pay a gigantic chunk of the bills for state and federal parks. There is also beauty and art in gun design, and masters of this art including John Browning, Sam Colt, etc. It's good to be able to hold a piece of history (M-1 Garand, 1911 pistol, SAA revolver, M-16 clones) and reflect on the men and women who died defending the ideals of our country. Guns also hold fond memories of your first hunting trip with your father, or something a grandparent passed down to you. Personally, I get a little "defenisive" when our brilliant politicians in all their vast wisdom decide to mess with over 200 years of responsible gun ownership to get more votes in an effort to appeal to a few vocal group of activists, or to give some people a false sense of security.

[Julien]

Something everyone needs to consider. Firearms ownership was encouraged for hundreds of years by the Federal Government and the State. It was a good way to have a somewhat trained army in your backyard, and it kept the government honest. It was part of series of checks and balances against an unjust government (like the English during Colonial days). People needed guns to hunt, protect their families, etc. Our founding fathers believed that the individual was responsible and just. The Federal government was in place to make treaties, deal with interstate commerce, and protect the states from outside threats among a few other things. Guns have been heavily regulated for the past 80 years (more than most people probably know). If you live in the city, or have never shot a gun it may be hard to understand what the big deal is. All you hear about is people getting shot, murdered, raped, etc. with guns involved. Gun collecting is an interesting hobby, target shooting requires a great deal of skill, and hunting involves a lot more than just killing an animal (and by the way, it's a more "honest" way of getting dinner than buying a dead cow on a bun). Hunting fees also pay a gigantic chunk of the bills for state and federal parks. There is also beauty and art in gun design, and masters of this art including John Browning, Sam Colt, etc. It's good to be able to hold a piece of history (M-1 Garand, 1911 pistol, SAA revolver, M-16 clones) and reflect on the men and women who died defending the ideals of our country. Guns also hold fond memories of your first hunting trip with your father, or something a grandparent passed down to you. Personally, I get a little "defenisive" when our brilliant politicians in all their vast wisdom decide to mess with over 200 years of responsible gun ownership to get more votes in an effort to appeal to a few vocal group of activists, or to give some people a false sense of security.

I agreed with you until that point. America has the highest rate of gun-related death of any modernized (first world) country. I currently live in a country where guns are highly controlled. Not once has anyone heard of a gun related death other than A: terrorism B: gang/mafia related activity. Neither of which having a semi automatic weapon in your basement would help.
If you want to claim the defense argument for guns, a small revolver would suffice. If you hold a gun of this size [==] to someone, it doesn't matter if they hold a gun [========] size in their hand, they will comply.

Maybe I will never get the "gun" thing.
Julien

[Farbin Kaiber]

ohnoes! What is carbon farbon to do?

[myinfernalbmw]

Fuck i thought the 870 would be safe at least. Now i have to go get a loan in a hurry if i ever want to do a 3 gun competition in the future.

[myinfernalbmw]

Maybe I will never get the "gun" thing.
Julien

You sure won't when you still think this is all about guns...

[dlmpsy]

As far as gun violence goes, criminals commit crimes. They use guns because they are more "effective". The vast majority of these guns are stolen or smuggled in from other countries. Just like cocaine and crack. We don't grow coca plants in the US, so it's smuggled just like illegal guns. If you have ever been convicted of a felony (some misdemeanors count as well), you can't legally own a gun. There is a background check (records from state and federal law enforcement records) everytime you legally buy a gun from a dealer, each gun has a unique serial number (traceable to you). BTW, semi-automatic (one shot/trigger pull) is not the same as automatic (hold the trigger and it keeps shooting). The cause of gun violence is related to social issues. Violence is glorified in movies, video games, music and communities. Bad people do bad things with guns, knives, baseball bats, etc. Britan and Australia are learning this after banning most guns.

[Maluco]

Do you ever post WITHOUT a picture?

a picture is worth a thousand words!

[tofubento]

I agreed with you until that point. America has the highest rate of gun-related death of any modernized (first world) country. I currently live in a country where guns are highly controlled. Not once has anyone heard of a gun related death other than A: terrorism B: gang/mafia related activity. Neither of which having a semi automatic weapon in your basement would help.
If you want to claim the defense argument for guns, a small revolver would suffice. If you hold a gun of this size [==] to someone, it doesn't matter if they hold a gun [========] size in their hand, they will comply.

Maybe I will never get the "gun" thing.
Julien

When Belgium only has a population of roughly 10,403,951, with an average gun death of 2.90 per 100,000 people...This is based off the only statistic I could find coming from 1998.. so that averages out to 300 deaths per year. Now we factor in America, which is 30x larger then BE...Population of America as of July 2008 : 303,824,640. Our average gun deaths of 3.6...averages out to be : 10,937 deaths per year.

BE : 300 deaths per year due to guns
USA : 10,000 deaths per year due to guns

Not bad considering how large our countries to yours...if you factor it out its about 64 additional deaths per year due to guns. That is if America was the same size as your country , population wise.

Though I did find something out, Belgium has a much higher suicide rate then America...Your ranked 5th in the world for 30-44 year olds...and overall you have a much higher suicide rate across the board then America.


Source for some of my information : http://www.nationmaster.com/statistics

Funny but factual :

Doctors vs Gunowners
Doctors
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is

700,000.

(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians

per year are

120,000.

(C) Accidental deaths per physician

is

0.171.

Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of

Health Human Services.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Now think about this:

Guns

(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S.

is

80,000,000.

(Yes, that's 80 million)
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths

per year, all age groups,

is

1,500.

(C) The number of accidental deaths

per gun owner

is

.000188.

Statistics courtesy of FBI

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

So, statistically, doctors are approximately

9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.'



I couldnt find the JPG on my computer so I looked it up...