concealed carry

[blunttech]

The stereotypical conservative is both heavily religious and pro-gun.

Just sayin'

im conservative and not religious and not necessarily pro gun. i dont feel too strongly about either

[dirty30]

The stereotypical conservative is both heavily religious and pro-gun.

Just sayin'

Religion and firearms are two subjects that should never be discussed at the same time.

[mitch500]

huh? shooting what you talkin about.

[Quadrajet]

They're talking about the shooting in Binghamton?, New York yesterday.

[ragged325]

I'm just going to throw my own opinionated opinion out there just to balance things out. A long time ago I had a friend that graduated from SDSU with a criminal justice major and wanted to be a FBI type person later in life (he might be one now). One day he showed me the glock that he had been talking about. We were going out to the bars and he decided to pull in to get gas. Apparently some guy pulled in front of the pump that he had wanted and so he got out of his car and pointed the gun at the guy until he drove away. Later, he said he was going to bring his glock into the bar (and I didn't want to argue with the guy with a few drinks in the hole and a gun). I never hung out with the guy again.

I know (so don't bother telling me) that not everyone with a gun is like this or does these things. It is just my skewed perspective that people who are really into carrying a gun around have some psychological issues they should work through. I am 42 years old and live in a bad neighborhood and have never felt the need or want to own a gun. I've never in my life been in a situation where it would have come in handy. Without a gun, I've realized I've had to deal with any perceived threats without shooting (or threatening to shoot) anyone. It's worked out fine.

Yes, there are 6.7 billion people in the world. Sometime, someplace, someone is going to decide to shoot everyone around them. Shit happens. I imagine that blunt and e30 cabrio are just like my dad was in that they wake up and turn on fox news and get angry about everything that happens in the world that they don't like. It's called being reactionary.











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[AndrewBird]

I think a person who is trained at using a gun should have every right to carry one. Those who are not trained should not carry one.

For example, my uncle lives in CA and has a CWP. He's also taken dozens of tactical assault training courses through the local police office. These are the same classes that SWAT members and police officers take. I guarantee that if someone like him or several people like him where there in NY, the situation would have ended a lot differently.

When you get down to it, it's all about stupid people doing stupid/crazy shit. It has nothing to do with gun control.

[scabzzzz]

Im scared to death of people with guns. I dont trust their intentions, or their rationale.
Too many variables involved. Wish we all carried machetes or some shit and guns were never invented. Their would be far less crime in this world.

[mrsleeve]

Im scared to death of people with guns. I dont trust their intentions, or their rationale.

WOW I really feel sorry for you then. You must be a nervous wreck every time you leave your gun free house.

I will assure you that you interact with 1-8 people that have a gun on them when you are not in your home. TN has a fairly high rate of CCW holders.

So you are scared of some one who wishes to protect them selves form someone that wishes to do them harm?????? Look at the crime stats committed by the general population then compare it to crimes committed by CCW holders. if anything you should feel much safer about the guy with the gun as they are far less like to commit a crime. something on the order of .022% of violent crime is committed by CCW holders.

Look every one has irrational fears (I am scared to death of the dentist). I suspect your fears stem from lack of exposure/familiarity with firearms. I may have a job in TN this year, if I am in your area how about you come to range with me and I can expose you to some of the finer points of gun ownership, I think you will find we are not crazy.

[Scarlet_Pimpernel]

Whats obama gonna do about this??? haha!!!! :P

[Massive Lee]

"Poplawski feared "the Obama gun ban that's on the way" and "didn't like our rights being infringed upon," said Edward Perkovic, his best friend."

Great. He killed 3 cops while ranting...

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/pittsburgh-shooter-poplawski-didnt-o

[Mastrcruse]

WOW I really feel sorry for you then. You must be a nervous wreck every time you leave your gun free house.

I will assure you that you interact with 1-8 people that have a gun on them when you are not in your home. TN has a fairly high rate of CCW holders.

So you are scared of some one who wishes to protect them selves form someone that wishes to do them harm?????? Look at the crime stats committed by the general population then compare it to crimes committed by CCW holders. if anything you should feel much safer about the guy with the gun as they are far less like to commit a crime. something on the order of .022% of violent crime is committed by CCW holders.

Look every one has irrational fears (I am scared to death of the dentist). I suspect your fears stem from lack of exposure/familiarity with firearms. I may have a job in TN this year, if I am in your area how about you come to range with me and I can expose you to some of the finer points of gun ownership, I think you will find we are not crazy.

^Thanks for saying that. What people don't understand is...sure ban guns and make all the people that acquired/carry the guns legally turn them in for pennies on a dollar of what they actually spent. Guess who still has guns? The ones that didn't give a shit in the first place about going through a 12 hour course to get his licenses and many other hours actually learning his weapons movements, tactical classes. Those will be the only people that would turn in their firearms..not those always law abiding thugs that do crazy shit.

Yes crime happens, yes some might be committed by CW license holders but a vast majority aren't. Taking guns away only takes them away from the good guys.

[hugh jass]

WHEN will you guys get it, a gun is not the PROBLEM its the GOOFY FUCKER THATS OPERATING IT. More guns would not have complicated the issue. I CCW every day and every where I go, other than the 4 months I spent in Binghamton NY last fall working because the Gun commies in NY wont recognize my permits.

Would a few people with a CCW have saved everyone, NO prolly not, But if there were a couple of people in there with a CCW they would have been able to react much much faster that the cops. As they are already in there. It very well could have been over before the 1st 911 operator has a handle on whats going on and has dispatched the authorities. The loss of life could and more than likely been much lower.

This is a classic example of the old saying, "When life and death is decided in mere seconds, the Police are just minuets away."

As far as carrying in the building I am unfamiliar with NY CCW law but if its like most places if the building is govt owned or leased no you cant carry, if how ever its privately held the yes you could carry.

its like we're having 2 different conversations. i have no problem with people that ccw. people that go through all the effort to carry are probably are our society's responsible gun owners.
the problem is shit like what e30cabrio posts: I can get a gun legally in 10 days or illegally in 2 hours. that is my fucking problem with gun ownership in this country. for example that asshole in oakland who killed four cops because he was having a bad day. him and his douchebag friends can drive from oakland to reno, go to a gun show, and purchase whatever the fuck they want from a private individual at the show, drive back to oakland, and have a party. that should not happen. how can you possibly argue that a mechanism for gun ownership like that is a good thing?

[Pinepig]

i for example that asshole in oakland who killed four cops because he was having a bad day. him and his douchebag friends can drive from oakland to reno, go to a gun show, and purchase whatever the fuck they want from a private individual at the show, drive back to oakland, and have a party.

That is already illegal, whacha gonna do pass ANOTHER law.

[mrsleeve]

its like we're having 2 different conversations. i have no problem with people that ccw. people that go through all the effort to carry are probably are our society's responsible gun owners.
the problem is shit like what e30cabrio posts: I can get a gun legally in 10 days or illegally in 2 hours. that is my fucking problem with gun ownership in this country. for example that asshole in oakland who killed four cops because he was having a bad day. him and his douchebag friends can drive from oakland to reno, go to a gun show, and purchase whatever the fuck they want from a private individual at the show, drive back to oakland, and have a party. that should not happen. how can you possibly argue that a mechanism for gun ownership like that is a good thing?

Ok if you are a CA resident you cant go across state lines to buy a weapon thats 1)illegal in CA (in other words if you have a vacation home in ID and want a AR15 with a detachable mag and all the goodies to use and keep in ID but are a primary CA resident you cant legally purchase said AR15 in ID even though you never take it to CA.) 2) pistols must be shipped to a FFL in your home state for transfer. the latter is a federal law. Last time I checked the SKS used in the Oakland deal was on the CA ban list unless it meets certain restrictions (now I dont know as I have not heard but I assume that was not a CA legal weapon) so again its not a case a person owning and acquiring a weapon legally. So most of your points have no teeth. Restrictions on the law abiding will not stop the people that disregard the law.

As for the "gun show loop hole" you are speaking of, any one buying form a gun show under goes the same FBI instant back ground check as every one else (unless you have a CCW permit ( in most states))

As far as cabrios buy one illegally in 2 hours comment, he was trying to illustrate a point that the criminal element will always have a easy supply of Illegal guns while the law abiding do it the legal way. And restricting the law abiding will do nothing about the criminals.

Edit: Sorry if I am a bit redundant and sound like a broken record in this post but I am not editing it again. An that point is at the core of the issue.