Arrest illegals, now what a novel idea!

[z31maniac]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304604204575182721466632104.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsForth

"Arizona lawmakers on Tuesday passed one of the toughest pieces of immigration-enforcement legislation in the country, which would make it a violation of state law to be in the U.S. without proper documentation."


Hopefully we can do something about here in OK too. I know I'm going to be called racist for this, but the parts of town where Latin Americans have become the majority, have seen dramatically increased crime levels and plummeting property values.

[Jean]

It's not racist, want to come here to study / live / work....do it legally like many others (me included) have...otherwise get the fuck out.

[LBJefferies]

It may not be fair, but it makes more sense to document them and have them start paying taxes.

[Aptyp]

^agree 100%. Then we'll ban cash, so they can't work for it. Oh wait, that's fucking stupid.

Seriously though, doesn't US have some island territory we don't use to ship these people to?

[mrsleeve]

It's not racist, want to come here to study / live / work....do it legally like many others (me included) have...otherwise get the fuck out.

agree 100% I am all for immigration, thats part of what makes this country great, and what it was founded upon, but do it on the up and up by the books


Put up a real Fence, and then start rounding up all these fuckers that are not here and send them home on a fuckign buses not god dammed planes. If they want to come back great thats fine but this time you will come in through the front door. If you get caught sneaking in punishment on the order of N Korea or China is needed, Forced hard labor for 10 years

[z31maniac]

It may not be fair, but it makes more sense to document them and have them start paying taxes.

Would it be OK with the hippies if we at least made sure they had to be fluent in our national language before they are allowed to become citizens?

[Hallen]

It may not be fair, but it makes more sense to document them and have them start paying taxes.

No, it makes no sense. It's like telling a child that they can't do something or they'll get punished and then when the time comes, you reward them instead. Yet the poor kid who followed the rules gets pushed off to the side.

They are here illegally and we need to enforce the law. "Documenting" them implies that BO's coined phrase of "undocumented worker" instead of illegal alien is influencing thinking.

We need to do two things:
1) Round em up, kick em out and make sure they can't come back.
2) Clean up the legal emigration process and make getting work visas and other instruments a simpler task. Then, keep track of it all.

People who go the legal path get put through the wringer and it costs a lot of money. You basically have to hire a lawyer to negotiate the system. That's stupid. It should be fixed.

So, there ya' go. Another pro-emigration conservative.

[StereoInstaller1]

No, it makes no sense. It's like telling a child that they can't do something or they'll get punished and then when the time comes, you reward them instead. Yet the poor kid who followed the rules gets pushed off to the side.

They are here illegally and we need to enforce the law. "Documenting" them implies that BO's coined phrase of "undocumented worker" instead of illegal alien is influencing thinking.

We need to do two things:
1) Round em up, kick em out and make sure they can't come back.
2) Clean up the legal emigration process and make getting work visas and other instruments a simpler task. Then, keep track of it all.

People who go the legal path get put through the wringer and it costs a lot of money. You basically have to hire a lawyer to negotiate the system. That's stupid. It should be fixed.

So, there ya' go. Another pro-emigration conservative.

If we legalized weed, we would have a lot of unemployed cops and prison guards.

maybe those boys would like some thing less violent to do?

[LBJefferies]

No, it makes no sense. It's like telling a child that they can't do something or they'll get punished and then when the time comes, you reward them instead. Yet the poor kid who followed the rules gets pushed off to the side.

They are here illegally and we need to enforce the law. "Documenting" them implies that BO's coined phrase of "undocumented worker" instead of illegal alien is influencing thinking.

We need to do two things:
1) Round em up, kick em out and make sure they can't come back.
2) Clean up the legal emigration process and make getting work visas and other instruments a simpler task. Then, keep track of it all.

People who go the legal path get put through the wringer and it costs a lot of money. You basically have to hire a lawyer to negotiate the system. That's stupid. It should be fixed.

So, there ya' go. Another pro-emigration conservative.

Nope. You guys always talk about how liberals need to think logically and not with their feelings. You sir are letting your feelings override your judgment.

If you document illegals that are here, at least you can get them to start paying taxes into the system instead of taking money out of the system by either deporting them or their continued use of social services. And deportation is not a deterrent. It's not as if they are getting the death penalty or anything. If they get caught, they just get sent back, illegals have nothing to lose by coming here. So, document the illegals that are already here, deport the criminals and do a better job securing the border. That's what needs to be done.

It may not be fair, but as you right wingers so proudly proclaim, life isn't fair.

[ck_taft325is]

Nope. You guys always talk about how liberals need to think logically and not with their feelings. You sir are letting your feelings override your judgment.

If you document illegals that are here, at least you can get them to start paying taxes into the system instead of taking money out of the system by either deporting them or their continued use of social services. And deportation is not a deterrent. It's not as if they are getting the death penalty or anything. If they get caught, they just get sent back, illegals have nothing to lose by coming here. So, document the illegals that are already here, deport the criminals and do a better job securing the border. That's what needs to be done.

It may not be fair, but as you right wingers so proudly proclaim, life isn't fair.

So, life not being fair means we should accept and endorse un-fairness on every level?

This point has been brought up and dismissed, but that just shows how little the democrats value anyone or any other beliefs other than their own... if I break the law, I get put in jail. If an illegal breaks the law, they get free health care? What?

I'm 100% on board to reform and make the immigration process much more stream lined and have a bunch less red tape to go through. I think it's a fucking sham how this country goes about immigration considering where we started at. It's become a very ugly process. The fact is though, that is the law and there should be a considerable effort to deport those that break this law. Or, offer "documented" illegals citizenship with penalties levied on their annual taxes. Democrats are all for more taxes, right? I'd say not outlandish, but a good 2% increase over their standard tax bracket would suffice for say, 15-20 years?

[LBJefferies]

Would it be OK with the hippies if we at least made sure they had to be fluent in our national language before they are allowed to become citizens?

Fluency maybe not, but a general aptitude for English yes.

[LBJefferies]

Or, offer "documented" illegals citizenship with penalties levied on their annual taxes. Democrats are all for more taxes, right? I'd say not outlandish, but a good 2% increase over their standard tax bracket would suffice for say, 15-20 years?

That sounds fine to me. Any sort of penalty really, that might make them think twice about coming here, but not one which involves us spending money.

[mar1t1me]

Democrats are all for more taxes, right?

Let me ask you a serious question.

First consider this:

GWB increased Federal spending by well over 33% (not counting Defense) in his first term, but then offered tax cuts-significant tax cuts which reduced revenues. His Medicare Drug Benefit plan will cost up to 1.2 trillion by 2015, but still, he cut taxes. He declared war, but still cut taxes. And so we ended up with a huge deficit. IOW, he curried favor by appealing to the base with tax cut upon tax cut, knowing he would stick the incoming Prez with a huge, very unpopular bill. It was like giving a 17 year old girl a credit card and telling her not to worry, someone else was paying.

That said, if you are maintaining that Democrats love taxes, would it not also be appropriate to say "Republicans love spending?" Especially when no one plans to pay it back?

That the nation's budgetary situation continues to deteriorate is because the administration's fiscal policy has been decidedly more about politics than policy. Even the tax cuts, which happened to be good policy, were still political in nature considering their appeal to the Republican's conservative base. At the same time, the politicos running the Bush reelection machine have consistently tried to placate or silence the liberals and special interests by throwing money at their every whim and desire. In mathematical terms, the administration calculates that satiated conservatives plus silenced liberals equals reelection.

How else can one explain the administration publishing a glossy report criticizing farm programs and then proceeding to sign a farm bill that expands those same programs? How else can one explain the administration acknowledging that entitlements are going to bankrupt the nation if left unreformed yet pushing the largest historical expansion in Medicare one year before the election?

BTW, the Republicans had a grand opportunity to reform immigration laws, but folded when it came time to act.

[E30Kaiser]

Would it be OK with the hippies if we at least made sure they had to be fluent in our national language before they are allowed to become citizens?

It might be okay with Hippies, but not with the law yet.. You can't demand people be fluent in the national language of the USA, because it doesn't legally exist.

[der affe]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...WhatsNewsForth

"Arizona lawmakers on Tuesday passed one of the toughest pieces of immigration-enforcement legislation in the country, which would make it a violation of state law to be in the U.S. without proper documentation."


Hopefully we can do something about here in OK too. I know I'm going to be called racist for this, but the parts of town where Latin Americans have become the majority, have seen dramatically increased crime levels and plummeting property values.

yeeeaaaa for my state!