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  • e30e
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    • Dec 2004
    • 2176

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    Copy and paste link thread, gonna make hippies mad!

    If you don't like Mike Rowe, go fuck yourself. Saw this guy at the FFA National Convention, VERY VERY funny; made excellent points of basically saying you dumb ass lefties are fucking food over.



    “The FFA currently faces an image and perception problem. The previous name of the organization, “Future Farmers of America,” lends itself to stereotyping by the public. The FFA faces a continuing battle to redefine itself against narrow perceptions of “agriculture,” “vocational” and “farmers.” The name “FFA” is now used instead of “Future Farmers of America.”

    Incredible. Have we really become so disconnected from our food that farmers no longer wish to be called farmers? Apparently, yes. The FFA has determined that most Americans think of farmers like those actors in Colonial Williamsburg – smiling caricatures from Hee Haw and Green Acres, laboring quaintly in flannel and denim. From what I’ve seen, they’re right. Over and over I hear the same thing from farmers I’ve met on Dirty Jobs. Technical advances in modern agriculture now rival those of Silicon Valley, and today’s farms are more efficient than ever, but no one seems to have gotten the memo. No one seems to care.

    The question is “why?” and fifteen minutes later I was on stage, trying to provide a sensible answer to an audience of 55,000 future farmers who preferred to be called something else. I talked about the power of labeling and the dangers of typecasting, from Hollywood to Iowa. I relied upon my own mistakes and misperceptions to make my points, (no shortage there,) and told some stories about the education I’ve received in the course of shooting Dirty Jobs. I don’t know that I was “inspirational” per se, but at the conclusion I was presented with some lovely parting gifts, and left the stage to thunderous applause. In short, I had a blast, and think the kids did as well.

    Later that night though, I discovered that there had also been some grown-ups in attendance. Some very serious grown-ups who run the kinds of organizations that actually put the food on our plates. People like Chad Gregory. Chad’s a big shot with The United Egg Producers, and claimed to have enjoyed my comments immensely. He is also convinced that the PR challenges facing groups like The FFA are not only real, but critically relevant to anyone addicted to chewing and swallowing things.

    Chad believes we have started down a slippery path that will forever change our nation’s food supply. He talks passionately about the need for people to get educated about the realities of feeding a growing population, and foresees a time when our country imports more food than it ships out. Chad says that without massive awareness and sweeping change, egg production in California will be all but eliminated by 2015, and that thanks to recent ballot initiatives, the process has already begun. He points to the confusion around the “free-range” issue, and the power of groups like The Humane Society, who have taken their agenda to a whole new level. According to Chad, one of their intended goals is now the elimination of all US animal-based agriculture.

    Activistcash

    Chad wasn’t alone. Walking around Indianapolis I had dozens of similar encounters with a variety of people, all deeply concerned about the future of food production in this country, and frustrated that the relevant issues have been framed by well-funded political organizations with very specific agendas. I listened to stories from agri-scientists about environmental groups fiercely opposed to biotechnical and chemical breakthroughs that would dramatically increase food production worldwide. I saw literature from PETA that likened beef production to “genocide.” And a young farmer named Travis told me about a $1,200 fine levied by OSHA, because the bottom rung on one of his ladders was bent.

    As I spoke with various farmers that evening, I realized that I had asked the wrong question. “Why?” is too easy. Obviously, today’s farmers need a PR Campaign because they are beset by an army of angry acronyms, each determined to change modern agriculture in a way that better reflects their particular worldview. The better question is “How.” How is it that 300 million Americans – all addicted to eating – have become disconnected from the people who grow our food? What new priorities have captured our shared concern?

    The answer depends entirely upon whom you ask. PETA has one response; The Sierra Club has another. The Humane Society might see it differently than The EPA, and Greenpeace has a different reply than OSHA. Fair enough; it’s a free country. But how did these organizations get so much power? Are their arguments really that compelling? Are their leaders really that charismatic? Are their members really that enlightened? Or has our prosperity created a toehold for ideas that would have simply died on the vine one or two generations ago?

    Imagine The HSUS successfully closing down California egg production back in …1960. Or in the same year, imagine OSHA fining a family farm $1,200 for a bent ladder. Imagine telling hungry Americans decades ago that environmental policy would make it impossible to maximize food production. I’m not looking for a fight – really, I’m not. I understand that different things are important to different people, and I don’t begrudge anyone’s right to champion the issues that matter most to them. But what’s more important than eating? What’s more important than feeding a hungry planet, and supporting the people who grow our food?

    On Dirty Jobs, I’m no expert, and I’m even less of one here. But I have a theory, and it goes like this – all jobs rely on one of two industries – mining and agriculture. Every tangible thing our society needs is either pulled from the ground, or grown from the ground. Without these fundamental industries there would be no jobs of any kind. There would be no economy. Civilization begins with miners and farmers, and polite society is only possible when skilled workers transform those raw materials into something useful or edible.

    I started mikeroweWORKS.com, because I think we’ve become disconnected from that basic premise. I think we’ve simply forgotten about the underlying industries upon which all else depends, and as a result, created for ourselves a vocational identity crisis. Our collective definition of a “good job” has evolved into something that no longer resembles Work, and that has detached us from a great many things, including our food, and the people who provide it.

    Could this be the root cause of the FFA’s “perception problem?” Could our warped view of the modern farmer be just another symptom of our warped relationship with work in general? It’s just a theory, but how else can we explain a country that marginalizes and stereotypes the very people we depend on most? From what I’ve seen, most people like farmers. Most people like food. The problem is Work. We’ve spent decades trying to distance ourselves from traditional notions of Work. And who embodies Work more than The American Farmer?

    If Chad’s right, U.S. animal agriculture is under siege, and we’re well on our way to getting our eggs from China and our beef from Brazil. Perhaps this would please The Humane Society. Perhaps PETA would like to see those items removed from menu’s altogether, and that’s fine. People often disagree about important matters, but without context, the bigger issue gets lost. This is our food supply we’re talking about – not the size of a chicken’s cage, or the resistance to chemically enhanced soil. We already rely on the world for our energy. Do we really want to rely on them for our food as well?

    I auditioned the other day for the voiceover on a TV commercial about the American Farmer. (Yeah, I still audition.) I don’t recall the whole thing, but it started out like this – “Every year we demand more and more from our farmers. More food from less land. More food from less energy. More food from less labor. And every year our farmers deliver.”

    I believe that to be a true statement. I also believe that as a country, we haven’t made it easy for them. Two percent of our population provides the rest of us with all the food we need, and we behave as though it’s our birthright. Like nothing we do can threaten the abundance. It seems to me that as a country, we could do a better job of supporting the people who feed us. And we could start by acknowledging the incredible challenges facing The American Farmer.

    But I digress.

    All I really wanted to do was congratulate The FFA for their good work, and thank them for inviting me back to Indianapolis. I spend a lot of time these days talking about the importance of getting dirty – mostly with white-collar workers who don’t really know what I’m getting at, which is fine. Preaching to the choir doesn’t do much but bore the choir, so I rarely take the opportunity to talk to groups who already “get it.”

    However, there is something to be said for occasionally finding yourself in the company of like-minded people. And every so often, if you can get your thoughts organized in time, it’s fun to address the rafters and deliver a message that gets 50,000 enthusiastic future farmers to stand up and holler back with unbridled gusto.

    Such were my last three days in Indianapolis. Good for the spirit, good for the ego, and far superior to crawling down a flaming chimney.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that…"
    1985 BMW 325e
    1997 BMW M3/4/5
    2007 Chevy Silverado Crew Cab 5.3 v8
  • mrsleeve
    I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
    • Mar 2005
    • 16385

    #2
    LOL

    that brought a small tear to my eye. Former Farmer here and always will be in my heart.

    He's SO right too.
    Last edited by mrsleeve; 05-15-2010, 11:04 AM.
    Originally posted by Fusion
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    • e30e
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      • Dec 2004
      • 2176

      #3
      Originally posted by mrsleeve
      LOL

      that brought a small tear to my eye. Former Farmer here and always will be in my heart.

      He's SO right too.

      If you get bored watch his FFA speach at ffa.com, it was really entertaining.


      Food issues are going to be really important in the next 10 years and no one has a clue.
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      • Wiglaf
        E30 Mastermind
        • Jan 2007
        • 1513

        #4
        I'm having trouble finding the part that will make hippies mad or whatever. What is the point of this?
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        • Norwegiandane
          Advanced Member
          • Mar 2010
          • 110

          #5
          Love Mike Rowe, love dirty jobs. I don't get your whole hippies statement, but it's not important.

          There are excesses in all things that mean only to protect us, PETA is probably the worst offender. However if you choose to turn a blind eye to the pain and suffering caused by factory farms, then by all means enjoy your McFatass burgers. I'm a conscious observer of what goes into farming, and I choose to buy from farms that don't treat their livestock like science experiments. I can't always do this, but I do what I can to support humane farming. If that makes me a hippie, then peace dude!
          You're entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.

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          • mrsleeve
            I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
            • Mar 2005
            • 16385

            #6
            Originally posted by Norwegiandane
            I choose to buy from farms that don't treat their livestock like science experiments. I can't always do this, but I do what I can to support humane farming. If that makes me a hippie, then peace dude!


            This is all warm and fuzzy makes you feel good but thats not the cold reality of where our food comes from. I too dont like to buy that way. 90% of my meats come from local ranchers or the good old wild.

            But that kind Humane Farming will not feed 6 billion people now will it? Its about production and keeping the world from starving to death. I am sure you dont want to be spending 3/4 of your monthly income on the bare necessities and only come with 1/2 the food you do now. Yeah thats what will happen.


            You like Cheap food then, dont bitch about how its made, you like to eat right??? Well with the rest of the world exploding in population they have to eat too. Which would you rather see and Cow that is confined to a feed lot its whole life or a Child starving and malnourished??????

            Your Observations about farming are not rationalized from the right perspective, you are using the same thought process that PETA uses.
            Originally posted by Fusion
            If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
            The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


            The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

            Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
            William Pitt-

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            • e30e
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              • Dec 2004
              • 2176

              #7
              Originally posted by mrsleeve
              This is all warm and fuzzy makes you feel good but thats not the cold reality of where our food comes from. I too dont like to buy that way. 90% of my meats come from local ranchers or the good old wild.

              But that kind Humane Farming will not feed 6 billion people now will it? Its about production and keeping the world from starving to death. I am sure you dont want to be spending 3/4 of your monthly income on the bare necessities and only come with 1/2 the food you do now. Yeah thats what will happen.


              You like Cheap food then, dont bitch about how its made, you like to eat right??? Well with the rest of the world exploding in population they have to eat too. Which would you rather see and Cow that is confined to a feed lot its whole life or a Child starving and malnourished??????

              Your Observations about farming are not rationalized from the right perspective, you are using the same thought process that PETA uses.
              Its this kind of thinking that makes hippies mad and my point in posting this article. People watch documentaries and read blogs about food but never have done anything besides plant a tree or water a house plant have no idea in the precision and investment feeding the world takes.
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              • dvs909
                E30 Enthusiast
                • Sep 2006
                • 1149

                #8
                i worked on michigans 3rd largest egg farm for 2 years (5 or 6 million chickens and growing) and never once had a chicken complain about its living conditions.

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                • Norwegiandane
                  Advanced Member
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 110

                  #9
                  As usual the "righties" swallow the propaganda that factory farming is necessary and that the whole world will starve if we don't confine animals to darkened barns, force feed them corn and antibiotics, and let the meat that we eat be saturated with parasites, and god knows what else.

                  It's not warm and fuzzy you fools, it called reality. What factory farms do is poison the world, and you choose willfully to be ignorant of that fact. Personally I don't give two shits if you eat crap everyday and die from cancer. And yes, I am willing to pay a little more to a farmer who cares for his produce and what it does to his customers.

                  This is not left hippie bullshit you assholes, it's a grim reality. It's greed at the most egregious levels. Our food does not need to contain pain and suffering, because I promise you it will sicken you too.

                  And if you have kids I can't imagine for one fucking second that you would be okay feeding them shit meat and vegetables. You seriously can't spend a little more for them? Shame on you for even supporting this travesty.
                  You're entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.

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                  • Wiglaf
                    E30 Mastermind
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 1513

                    #10
                    nobody likes being anywhere near a slaughterhouse, but we all love bacon.
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                    • chadthestampede
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                      • Jul 2008
                      • 3600

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Norwegiandane
                      As usual the "righties" swallow the propaganda that factory farming is necessary and that the whole world will starve if we don't confine animals to darkened barns, force feed them corn and antibiotics, and let the meat that we eat be saturated with parasites, and god knows what else.

                      It's not warm and fuzzy you fools, it called reality. What factory farms do is poison the world, and you choose willfully to be ignorant of that fact. Personally I don't give two shits if you eat crap everyday and die from cancer. And yes, I am willing to pay a little more to a farmer who cares for his produce and what it does to his customers.

                      This is not left hippie bullshit you assholes, it's a grim reality. It's greed at the most egregious levels. Our food does not need to contain pain and suffering, because I promise you it will sicken you too.

                      And if you have kids I can't imagine for one fucking second that you would be okay feeding them shit meat and vegetables. You seriously can't spend a little more for them? Shame on you for even supporting this travesty.
                      Sounds like someone just finished The Jungle and is full of righteous rage.
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                      • mrsleeve
                        I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
                        • Mar 2005
                        • 16385

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Norwegiandane
                        As usual the "righties" swallow the propaganda that factory farming is necessary and that the whole world will starve if we don't confine animals to darkened barns, force feed them corn and antibiotics, and let the meat that we eat be saturated with parasites, and god knows what else.

                        It's not warm and fuzzy you fools, it called reality. What factory farms do is poison the world, and you choose willfully to be ignorant of that fact. Personally I don't give two shits if you eat crap everyday and die from cancer. And yes, I am willing to pay a little more to a farmer who cares for his produce and what it does to his customers.

                        This is not left hippie bullshit you assholes, it's a grim reality. It's greed at the most egregious levels. Our food does not need to contain pain and suffering, because I promise you it will sicken you too.

                        And if you have kids I can't imagine for one fucking second that you would be okay feeding them shit meat and vegetables. You seriously can't spend a little more for them? Shame on you for even supporting this travesty.


                        If you have forgotten I grew up on a Farm and worked on 2 others form the time I was 12-13. till 19 and had too many other commitments to continue.

                        I have done it all my friend, form Castrating steers(with a razor knife and jug of betadine), to milking at 3am and finish just in time to take a shower at the farm and get on the school bus. Running hay production or cutting tasel on a seed corn farm have countless hours sitting on a tractor tilling, planting, cutting, raking, baling, harvesting, staking hay in barns in 103* the list continues. I have calved in feb/march out in the cold in a driving snow storm, drug 14 dead dairy cows outta round feed after a lighting strike hit the feeder and they all had their head in it eating (had to use a chain saw to remove the heads to get them out). I have been shoulder deep in a cows ass digging around getting ready to breed.

                        I am not talking out my ass or just drinking the Righty propaganda kool aid. I am talking from experience, when you have a bad growing season it not only hurts you in the income department but the prices at the store go up for everything.

                        Please tell me how it hurts the nutritional aspect of my steak, by me knocking the shit out of it with a 2x4 to get it into the chute for its pink eye shot????????

                        Or how dose it hurt my eggs, that are collected every day if the chicken cant move 10 inches in any direction (oh my grand parents had 1.2m laying hens at max and 800k at any given time on the farm).

                        You are one of those people that have not a clue what it takes to make food, and you think you know where it comes from. You have not a clue, till you spend some time out there trying to make a living at it, or just trying to keep the lights on and the taxes and fuel bills paid. You cant look at food production like your pet golden retriever, yes they are alive, they are alive for 1 purpose so we can continue to stay alive. This is the way you have too look at it, this is the laws of nature the smarter prey on the weaker. If we dont have a few people work very very hard to make all the food for the rest of us. Then we all would have to devote much more time to fending for our selves! We all would have to be substance farmers, and that just would not work. I dont have any idea what you do for a living, but I doubt you would be able too if you had to devote most of your daily routine to making sure you have enough provisions to make it through the winter.

                        Look at history for a min, when the bulk of the population is nothing more than impoverished subsistence farmers. Why dont they all do something to make more money you ask???? They cant, other wise they will not have enough food to eat. Moral of the story is that when larger farms began to produce enough food to feed entire towns, that allowed people to go to the cities and chase other things and dreams. There was enough food to go around with out everyone fending for themselves. That very reason is one of the biggest factors in our huge advancement in technology in the last 200 years.

                        On crop side of things if you grow organic you dont get near the production you would get when using modern technology. If every farmer in the country were to go organic this season, by this time next year ford prices will have tripled or more. This is due to the simple economic principal of supply and demand. Then we would have people starving to death all over the world even here in the good all ol USA. There is not enough ground to feed the 330m people in this country on organically grown crops alone.

                        If you are that pig headed, put a garden in and grow enough food for you for a entire year and can it so you can use till the following summer. Then you will see just how much work food production.

                        Greed where the fuck did you get from. Every farmer I know will give you the shirt off his back if you need it weather he has another one to put on or not.

                        You are either too stupid to get it, or just dont want to see the truth about the stark reality of cheap food and how its made. If you want to be all hippie and shop at Whole foods and can afford to then by all means thats fine. There is nothing wrong with it, But for the untold billions that the US and Canada feed around the world that is not an option and I am sure they would rather food stay plentiful and reliably available.
                        Last edited by mrsleeve; 05-16-2010, 07:46 PM.
                        Originally posted by Fusion
                        If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                        The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                        The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                        Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                        William Pitt-

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                        • Norwegiandane
                          Advanced Member
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 110

                          #13
                          Mr Sleeve as usual you assume too much. I don't work a farm, but I buy from the farms here locally. I buy eggs from a man who lets his chickens run free and coup up at night. I buy pork from pigs who DO NOT wallow in mud, I buy some of my meat from grass fed cows, and I buy milk from the same farmer. You think because YOU were a farmer you are entitled to some righteous indignation.

                          YOU are the farmer I probably would have been buying from, not some Tyson owned chicken ranch with close metal buildings and chickens running around shitting themselves. Or cattle that can't even stand on their own legs.

                          I choose not to buy vegetables out of season when possible, and I won't give a dime to any fast food joint, because in my opinion THEY are the ones that are culpable in the mass destruction of the family farm.

                          You really believe that farming today means that we have to forsake the humane treatment of animals? Or that vegetables must be genetically enhanced for flavor? Or that milk should be so saturated with antibiotics that it loses half its nutritional value?

                          You seem to think it's a conspiracy that people like me are concerned with how our food is grown, and advocate changes that bring about healthy lifestyles. I don't understand why anybody, especially some who says they were a farmer once before, is okay with what is happening on today's farms.

                          I know it's not an easy life to be a farmer, and I understand the complications t can bring financially, but do I have to be a farmer to be concerned? Do I have to be a farmer to be outraged at what we have traded for "cheap" food? And who says it's so cheap? You don't think that there are health related issues that can be traced back to over production or ill production of food?

                          Spare me your " i was a farmer and you don't get it" tirade. That's a cop out and a cheap useless argument that justifies nothing.
                          You're entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.

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                          • pureaudio
                            E30 Enthusiast
                            • May 2009
                            • 1123

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Norwegiandane
                            Mr Sleeve as usual you assume too much. I don't work a farm, but I buy from the farms here locally. I buy eggs from a man who lets his chickens run free and coup up at night. I buy pork from pigs who DO NOT wallow in mud, I buy some of my meat from grass fed cows, and I buy milk from the same farmer. You think because YOU were a farmer you are entitled to some righteous indignation.

                            YOU are the farmer I probably would have been buying from, not some Tyson owned chicken ranch with close metal buildings and chickens running around shitting themselves. Or cattle that can't even stand on their own legs.

                            I choose not to buy vegetables out of season when possible, and I won't give a dime to any fast food joint, because in my opinion THEY are the ones that are culpable in the mass destruction of the family farm.

                            You really believe that farming today means that we have to forsake the humane treatment of animals? Or that vegetables must be genetically enhanced for flavor? Or that milk should be so saturated with antibiotics that it loses half its nutritional value?

                            You seem to think it's a conspiracy that people like me are concerned with how our food is grown, and advocate changes that bring about healthy lifestyles. I don't understand why anybody, especially some who says they were a farmer once before, is okay with what is happening on today's farms.

                            I know it's not an easy life to be a farmer, and I understand the complications t can bring financially, but do I have to be a farmer to be concerned? Do I have to be a farmer to be outraged at what we have traded for "cheap" food? And who says it's so cheap? You don't think that there are health related issues that can be traced back to over production or ill production of food?

                            Spare me your " i was a farmer and you don't get it" tirade. That's a cop out and a cheap useless argument that justifies nothing.
                            Get off your high horse, there is a difference between animal cruelty and producing food for the masses. I'd like to see you work a free range farm with millions of chickens or read every fucking cow on a dairy farm a book each night so it has sweet dreams.
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                            • e30e
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                              • Dec 2004
                              • 2176

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Norwegiandane
                              Mr Sleeve as usual you assume too much. I don't work a farm, but I buy from the farms here locally. I buy eggs from a man who lets his chickens run free and coup up at night. I buy pork from pigs who DO NOT wallow in mud, I buy some of my meat from grass fed cows, and I buy milk from the same farmer. You think because YOU were a farmer you are entitled to some righteous indignation.

                              YOU are the farmer I probably would have been buying from, not some Tyson owned chicken ranch with close metal buildings and chickens running around shitting themselves. Or cattle that can't even stand on their own legs.

                              I choose not to buy vegetables out of season when possible, and I won't give a dime to any fast food joint, because in my opinion THEY are the ones that are culpable in the mass destruction of the family farm.

                              You really believe that farming today means that we have to forsake the humane treatment of animals? Or that vegetables must be genetically enhanced for flavor? Or that milk should be so saturated with antibiotics that it loses half its nutritional value?

                              You seem to think it's a conspiracy that people like me are concerned with how our food is grown, and advocate changes that bring about healthy lifestyles. I don't understand why anybody, especially some who says they were a farmer once before, is okay with what is happening on today's farms.

                              I know it's not an easy life to be a farmer, and I understand the complications t can bring financially, but do I have to be a farmer to be concerned? Do I have to be a farmer to be outraged at what we have traded for "cheap" food? And who says it's so cheap? You don't think that there are health related issues that can be traced back to over production or ill production of food?

                              Spare me your " i was a farmer and you don't get it" tirade. That's a cop out and a cheap useless argument that justifies nothing.
                              Turn off your Food Inc documentary; as a person with a degree in Agriculture Technology Management and Education; I've sat through more environmental issue courses and crop production course to sift through the bullshit and what "EVIL" agriculture really is. There is truly bad practices out there and they actually a result from people who know nothing about plants or animals making laws and because the laws are the way they are the farmers are actually doing bad things but following the law. And I'm not talking about those evil lobbyist for big ag, I'm talking about city dwelling idiot politicians who can't grow flowers who make these laws. As in any debate yes free range is much better but IT will not feed the world, look at the acres to production results and cost; it just wont happen. Same with organics; there are not enough acres and water in the world to feed the people naturally. Mike Rowe does a very friendly way of explaining that if you read his article.....Seriously this world is running out of agriculturally productive land and water, this is not an arrangement that can be disproved; systems have to switch to efficient factory settings sometimes.
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