Can you believe in evolution and the bible at the same time?

[briansjacobs]

If so, how often does a human sacrifice need to be made. I am sure we are about due

[E30Kaiser]

was thinking of this on the way home earlier, So with Jesus on the cross dying for all of our sins, does that mean that God demanded a human sacrifice? If so

Martyrdom and human sacrifice aren't really the same thing. And the Muslims would be pissed because it would imply another prophet exists after Muhammad, which is a huge no-no to them. Also you should really read up on it, this is one of the few areas where the bible is pretty precise on what goes down after Jesus dies.

[Massive Lee]

... God demanded a human sacrifice?

Didn't Mayans also sacrificed thousands of humans to their Gods. Same God as the Christian one? ;-) Would that explain the sacred heart of Jesus?

[wildstoats]

Yes they did, have you ever seen a fossilized set of reptile like bones? I once saw something like that in a museum.

Let me start answering this with two things...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gap_creationism

Looks to me like we could be earth4.0 in God's program. Looks to me like there was a space for Dinosaurs and all sorts of other stuff before the past ~5,000 years of "Bible History" that uneducated people assume for the earth's age.

The problem that I have with trying to force the marriage of religion and science is that it tends to lead to lines of scientific inquiry that try to make facts fit hypothesis's instead of developing hypothesis's based on observations. I would posit that this is because you are essentially already starting out with a hypothesis, the bible, and one that can't be changed at that.

I had actually never heard of "Gap Creationism" until you posted that link. As far as I can tell it is simply a way to square current geological knowledge with ones preferred religious traditions in order to not look as foolish as those "young earth" types. However, I am not clear as to whether "Gap Creationism" still implies that creatures on Earth were created and exist in the same forms as when they were originally created by god. I would be happy to hear more on your thoughts about this topic though.

[Farbin Kaiber]

was thinking of this on the way home earlier, So with Jesus on the cross dying for all of our sins, does that mean that God demanded a human sacrifice? If so

If so, how often does a human sacrifice need to be made. I am sure we are about due

No, He does not require Human Sacrifice. His Son was sent to earth to make good on the requirements God had placed on humanity regarding access to heaven. There were none on this earth that could be perfect in the way he required, so He sent his son in a body of flesh to make good on the requirement. As Jesus had completed the requirement to make good on the requirements of Levitical law, his next responsibility to humanity was to die and pass into heaven, opening the access to humans so they could gain access to heaven.

Also, upon his completion of this requirement, a New Testament was made between humanity and God, allowing us to gain access to heaven on the grounds of "The Blood of Jesus".

He died because, he had to, you don't get to heaven alive.

[Farbin Kaiber]

I had actually never heard of "Gap Creationism" until you posted that link. As far as I can tell it is simply a way to square current geological knowledge with ones preferred religious traditions in order to not look as foolish as those "young earth" types. However, I am not clear as to whether "Gap Creationism" still implies that creatures on Earth were created and exist in the same forms as when they were originally created by god. I would be happy to hear more on your thoughts about this topic though.

I don't think it requires the acceptance that all creatures exist in their same form. I am totally willing to accept evolution in species, genus, or family. Who is to say that a specific creature did not become better suited for it's specific environment?

I also think that the original Hebrew text shows there is a Gap, and we were not privy to that specific knowledge. I think as time has passed, more knowledge has been gained.

[dirtysix]

Can you believe in evolution and the bible at the same time?

I'm gunna hazard a guess and say "no".

[Farbin Kaiber]

Are you speaking for yourself, or is that a blanket statement?

[dirtysix]

For myself.
I'm unable to speak for others.

[Farbin Kaiber]

But you are only guessing. ;)

[dirtysix]

Aren't we all?

[Farbin Kaiber]

Yep.









(Oops, a one word post...)

[dirtysix]

I think we may have solved this argument!!!

or maybe not...

[joshh]

As much as I rag on Christians and religious people, if I'm presented with something that proves to me that there is a connection with what we are talking about, I can accept it.

Even if that includes evolution existing along side the bible...but it better be good proof.

[Farbin Kaiber]

I think we may have solved this argument!!!

or maybe not...

I knew it would take me and an antipodean to resolve this.